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Re: Crusader Kings 2 is released.
« Reply #6030 on: August 29, 2014, 10:11:39 am »

Makes me wonder, where the hell do banished people go if you control the entirety of the known world?

IC they'd probably just be banished from the lands you control, so they'd be forced to live in wilderness I guess.

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« Reply #6031 on: August 29, 2014, 12:18:55 pm »

Start Australia several hundred years early.  :P
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« Reply #6032 on: August 29, 2014, 12:28:38 pm »

If a courtier doesn't have an heir, don't you inherit his gold upon his death?

Yep. It's either do this, imprison&banish, or marry into the line so the first heir of his is in your family [or in a matrilineal marriage to someone in your line you'll have direct control over in the future].
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« Reply #6033 on: August 29, 2014, 02:05:45 pm »

You could just make him hate your guts, then put your spymaster to watch him and discover the plot he will inevitably set in motion. When it is discovered, you can safely give him the boot with minimal consequences. Is it amoral? Yes. Does it work? Usually.

Now, I have a question. My character is the new Queen of Ireland, having inherited the position from her father. He was immensely popular, even after I took the entirety of Ireland under his demense in the last year of his life. Now I've given away all of the Duchies except for Munster, and all of their subordinates, to various cronies who are not related to me. Giving away the duchies gave her a pretty big relations boost as intended, but they're all still mighty pissy that she's a woman who took on more crown authority. I'm dealing with major revolts every couple of years, and I probably would have been overthrown if I wasn't allied with both France and Scotland.

How can I rein these guys in? I've considered removing the land-holding from ducal titles and giving each of the counties an actual count instead of just having the Duke manage them in order to decentralize things (outside of my own holdings, of course) but I'm not sure I can afford to take the hit such tyranny will incur and that will make managing them a lot more difficult. Has anyone else been in a similar position? I posted about this plan earlier, but I didn't count on my son dying of typhus.
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Re: Crusader Kings 2 is released.
« Reply #6034 on: August 29, 2014, 02:08:04 pm »

Next revolt, keep them imprisoned after you win.

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« Reply #6035 on: August 29, 2014, 02:08:29 pm »

 For 7k bucks you could afford to go to war with your whole kingdom (depends, but certainly in large chunks.) and then jail everybody and banish all of them.  And then start anew by granting randomly genned nobles to hold those positions.

You could use the money to build all manner of new castles/towns and improve them and still have leftovers to hire mercs.  The only reason not too seems to be role playing.
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« Reply #6036 on: August 29, 2014, 02:15:21 pm »

You could hire every single mercenary group and smash your enemies to nonexistence.

Actually... come to think about it...

Let's say your empire is comprised of yourself and say.... 2 kings and three dukes. You could intentionally provoke a massive rebellion. Use your stolen funds to hire a massive army. Then because the enemies will combine their forces and make a giant lump of troops, if you smash that lump you will basically instantly win the rebellion.

After that all those guys would be imprisoned. You could then banish all those guys for phat loot and replace them with neutral individuals. You wouldn't have to care about your relationship to their vassals as they'll no longer be part of your court.

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« Reply #6037 on: August 29, 2014, 09:25:31 pm »

It turns out that no one gives a damn if a courtier gets banished, as long as they're not connected to a titleholder within your realm, and excommunicating him worked like a charm. I'm now 7000g richer while losing only some piety from the excommunication request.

You could just make him hate your guts, then put your spymaster to watch him and discover the plot he will inevitably set in motion. When it is discovered, you can safely give him the boot with minimal consequences. Is it amoral? Yes. Does it work? Usually.

Now, I have a question. My character is the new Queen of Ireland, having inherited the position from her father. He was immensely popular, even after I took the entirety of Ireland under his demense in the last year of his life. Now I've given away all of the Duchies except for Munster, and all of their subordinates, to various cronies who are not related to me. Giving away the duchies gave her a pretty big relations boost as intended, but they're all still mighty pissy that she's a woman who took on more crown authority. I'm dealing with major revolts every couple of years, and I probably would have been overthrown if I wasn't allied with both France and Scotland.

How can I rein these guys in? I've considered removing the land-holding from ducal titles and giving each of the counties an actual count instead of just having the Duke manage them in order to decentralize things (outside of my own holdings, of course) but I'm not sure I can afford to take the hit such tyranny will incur and that will make managing them a lot more difficult. Has anyone else been in a similar position? I posted about this plan earlier, but I didn't count on my son dying of typhus.

I find that it's best to remove the leaders of the revolts from the equation. If all of your direct vassals are imprisoned, then you should banish all of them. Banishing will get you a massive tyranny penalty... with the few counts and baronies that remain. Just put someone you like above them and they can cause only minimal trouble.

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« Reply #6038 on: August 30, 2014, 04:30:39 pm »

how did a courtier get that much cha ching
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« Reply #6039 on: August 30, 2014, 04:34:28 pm »

how did a courtier get that much cha ching
Over time and through inheritance.  Especially if his (or her) family hit a sudden wall of spikes, and they all owned land.  Even barons can make close to and over 1g a month.  Imagine keeping a courtier dynasty in your court for a few generations, handing the men out titles occasionally.

Also, I want to note that adventuring seems to spawn a ludicrous amount of gold for the adventurer, which is inherited even if the guy fails.  The ai may not banish the adventurer if it defends successfully, letting the gold be inherited.
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« Reply #6040 on: September 17, 2014, 03:46:13 pm »

The 1st dev diary for Charlemagne is up on the paradox forums.

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?801508-Crusader-Kings-II-Charlemagne-Dev-Diary-1-Let-s-get-Early-Medieval

It mostly talks about new cultures and religions in the new expansion. Still no release date yet.
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« Reply #6041 on: September 17, 2014, 04:31:46 pm »

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« Reply #6042 on: September 17, 2014, 04:58:02 pm »

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« Reply #6043 on: September 20, 2014, 01:12:50 pm »

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« Reply #6044 on: September 20, 2014, 10:44:25 pm »

So, in my Welsh Republic game, the Jews in Abyssinia are doing okay, the Anglo-Saxons repelled the Norwegians and ol' Willy the Bastard, and William, being the ambitious little bugger that he is, took the French throne instead. It's only 1078. This is gonna be an interesting game.
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