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[umiman]

Quick question: I married my son to the swede princess for the strong claim, do I have to land her before pressing her claim to have her stay my vassal? I'm emperor level so I can have king vassals.
Sweden controls two norse holy sites and I have another, that would allow me to reform.

Your best bet would be to wait for them to have a kid, then kill the mother and press your grandson's claim.

This way is usually better as you're actually related to your grandson. So once you conquer the entire kingdom, you could kill off your grandson and a few other family members in line for the throne of sweden and the kingdom will become yours. I don't know if him being your grandson gives you a weak claim on the kingdom (pretty sure the answer is no) but if that was the case, you could then grant your grandson independence and invade him with your weak claim while he's still under regency.

[kaian-a-coel]

I think I'll land her in some random county, perhaps in britanny, and then press her claim. She has a strong claim so I don't have to wait, and I don't know if a son would inherit a strong or a weak claim.
A successful claim pressing would allow me to instantly reform the faith, switch to elective succession, and put my grandson as my heir because I'm so damn young.

[umiman]

The child would inherit a weak claim yeah.

I'm not sure how you're going to land her, seeing as you can't give land to female courtiers unless you're basque or one of the heresies.

[Sheb]

Did I mention how I love the "Claim Constantinople" decision? Not only does it mean that you can press any claim without having to bother about giving your claimants provinces or having them own land outside their de jure title, it also means that whenver you revoke a duchy/Kingdom, you can land someone in Constantinople, give him the title and revoke for them to move their capital to ther de jure land!

[umiman]

Seems like a pretty OCD decision. Is there any benefit to forcing a vassal to move his capital to his de jure land? I'm assuming it's because you want to make it easier to defeat him when he rebels somehow.

[Sheb]

1) It looks better.
2) Your vassals don't fight each other with de jure claim all the time. And no, Medium Crown authority doesn't help, because they just cause war via plots or whatever.

[dennislp3]

I wish there was a way to automatically reposition vassals to have their de jure properties...I am OCD in that sense but its also a matter of organization...instead half the time I will have a duke of one area with land and a capital in a totally different area...gets really annoying

[Mictlantecuhtli]

I make sure duchies are in proper order for the eventual Emperorship vassal-king-ing of relatives across the lands. I sure hate when kingdom vassals are all wonky, it fucks up integration stuff.

[kaian-a-coel]

Maybe they could make it that when crown authority is high enough you can freely revoke counties/transfer vassalage outside of the de jure limits of someone. It would require high authority or even absolute, but that would be a step up.

[umiman]

With Roman imperial authority you can revoke anything that you have a claim to freely. This includes any duchies and any counties that you personally have a claim on. So you can revoke a vassal's duchy, and then claim every single one of the counties in it. The only people that will get pissed off are the ones who directly controlled the lands.

[EnigmaticHat]

I wish there was a way to automatically reposition vassals to have their de jure properties...I am OCD in that sense but its also a matter of organization...instead half the time I will have a duke of one area with land and a capital in a totally different area...gets really annoying

The point of not being able to shift your vassals lands around easily is A a king's vassals usually had formal rights and B playing as a vassal is supposed to be a viable way to play the game, it wouldn't be if you were restricted to your de jure lands.

I find dukes to be so much better than counts :
1) They give exactly the same as duke. You'll get the same levies and same tax regardless of how many people there is in between you and the holding owner. Same if you're an emperor with kings vassals, but kings are more dangerous.

I'm not sure about this.  I just tested it by loading up a game and forming all possible kingdoms inside my empire, and my income went down.  Only by ~8% though. And my levies went up (though that's very explainable, I just gave most of the realm's levies to people who are grateful for their massive land grants, and I wasn't well loved before).

[Satarus]

I like forming vassal kings because it makes wars much easier.  It's a pain to have to micromanage all my vassal's levies and getting them onto boats when they are so far flung across my empire.  With vassal kings, I just have to draw them up for a handful of locations.

[umiman]

Yeah, Making lots of vassals is the easier option and also better for newbies / more casual players. It's also more fun if you like tonnes of internal political intrigue (as usually my best times are having awesome rivalries with annoying kings.)

[Rolan7]

I too hate it when my vassals' holdings are all wonky.  I don't mind them expanding and contracting, I just wish they were more or less contiguous...  I have a lot of trouble understanding even basic stuff like the realm of some double-duke uncle spread over bits of Scandinavia and Britain.  I wish there was a button to highlight vassal holdings in your own realm, because the little thin and thick lines just don't do it for me.  Particularly since I enjoy having large vassals (with the retinue system and mercenaries, I never seem to be in actual danger from my own vassals, and they handle a lot of the management - as they're supposed to!).

Usually results in me doing a mass-banishing to clean house, which means tedious revolt-crushing, and then I get bored and restart.  I have 360 hours on this game and I've never yet seen the golden horde or incans!  Playing raid-happy norse probably doesn't help, as it requires considerable micromanaging (in return for constant mad loot).

I finally let go of my absolute-cognatic (Better Gender Laws mod) Empire of Scandinavia because I couldn't get rid of the -50 "Wrong Gender Law" penalty, even after two generations of rulers, and even new, FEMALE, vassals were complaining.  It might be because Sweden is still agnatic-cognatic, but I can't *fix* that without having positive relations with all vassals *and* being a female ruler - and my female ruler died of stress at like 35, and her successor popped out 3 sons before any daughters.

Not sure if the mod is slightly bugged for multi-kingdom domains or what.  Ah well, this time I just started in Ironman Gotland with a simple mission:
* Stay loyal to my liege the King of Sweden as long as at all possible, ideally helping him form the Empire of Scandinavia
* Failing that, find some other liege to pledge to
* Just keep playing long enough to see the freakin invasions!  Which means not going conquest-happy.  Fingers crossed...

[kaian-a-coel]

I wish there was a button to highlight vassal holdings in your own realm, because the little thin and thick lines just don't do it for me.

there's a "direct vassals" mapmode for that.