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« Reply #3195 on: June 14, 2013, 09:16:42 pm »

Actually, if you're a pagan, you can attack anyone you have a boarder with. You can totally ignore the truce but risk angering everyone with the the same religion. You still need a reason to attack. Kinda hard to rally the men with no reason.
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« Reply #3196 on: June 14, 2013, 09:23:39 pm »

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In Crusader Kings, you're not the only actor affecting history

And sometimes you aren't even that.

"I want to do this"
"Do you have the prestige?"
"Why would I need that?"
"Because we need to make sure you don't actually do things in order to make sure changes occur slowly"
"Well whatever I do"
"Do you have a contract?"
"Why do I need that?"
"Because many wars at the time were a deeply political and beaurocratic system"
"No I mean why do I need that? I am part of a tribal totalitarian society"
"Ohhh, because we need to make sure you don't actually do things in order to make sure changes occur slowly"
"So, basically Gengis Kahn didn't exist in this universe?"
"Basically"
"Thought so"

A lot in this game feels very artificial and only there to slow the game down. Which is especially odd given how much they will relax some aspects of the gameplay.

I may be wrong here, but didn't you buy Crusader Kings 2 quite a number of months ago? It's odd to see you still complaining about your purchase :P
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« Reply #3197 on: June 14, 2013, 09:25:29 pm »

No I bought Crusader Kings 2 very recently (this month) and I am still sore about the bad bad purchase that I can't refund. (bad because this game isn't for me and I bought it for bad reasons. Not bad because the game is bad)

Mind you, I am not venting out my frustration of that here. It is just that now that I bought Crusader Kings 2, it actually has my attention. While before it was "Ehhh, it isn't so great and I'll ignore it". Now it is "Well now I better get my laundry list out there and say every single thought I have on Crusader Kings 2".
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« Reply #3198 on: June 14, 2013, 09:29:53 pm »

Well, bring it out so we can enlighten you to the true faith! Zoroastrian. :P
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« Reply #3199 on: June 14, 2013, 10:19:42 pm »

No I bought Crusader Kings 2 very recently (this month) and I am still sore about the bad bad purchase that I can't refund. (bad because this game isn't for me and I bought it for bad reasons. Not bad because the game is bad)

Mind you, I am not venting out my frustration of that here. It is just that now that I bought Crusader Kings 2, it actually has my attention. While before it was "Ehhh, it isn't so great and I'll ignore it". Now it is "Well now I better get my laundry list out there and say every single thought I have on Crusader Kings 2".

My bad. Fair enough.
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« Reply #3200 on: June 14, 2013, 10:55:34 pm »

I still find the Cassus Belli system is silly and stupid, and anytime some way comes out that makes it not suck, people complain and Paradox fixes it. I just want to conquer Europe and the world, dammit!

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« Reply #3201 on: June 14, 2013, 11:04:45 pm »

Without Cassus Bellis, the game is Total War, and you can't win if you start as a smaller kingdom or county. It just won't happen.

I actually kinda like it for reasons beyond its necessity, though. It fits the theme. Makes the most sense when you're playing with multiple religions, though.
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« Reply #3202 on: June 14, 2013, 11:23:29 pm »

Krisslanza, may I suggest the Always War mod for EU3 or any other mod that allows similar options then?
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« Reply #3203 on: June 15, 2013, 12:10:13 am »

"So, basically Gengis Kahn didn't exist in this universe?"

I have conquered empires larger then the European empires of the Mongols in a single lifetime.  But being an amazing conqueror is supposed to be, y'know, hard.
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« Reply #3204 on: June 15, 2013, 12:20:28 am »

I still find the Cassus Belli system is silly and stupid, and anytime some way comes out that makes it not suck, people complain and Paradox fixes it. I just want to conquer Europe and the world, dammit!

You may enjoy EU3/EU4 more, in that case. You can attack for no reason, it just makes your country unstable and seizing territories illegally makes everyone in the world hate/distrust you.
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« Reply #3205 on: June 15, 2013, 12:51:34 am »

I have only just now managed to get into this game after having it on my hard drive for a year and having staged a few abortive attempts at it. I'm not exactly good at it yet, or I'd have found a way to conquer all of little ol' Ireland by now and Scotland and Brittany wouldn't be sitting on parts of it either.

Speaking of that, are there advantages/disadvantages to joining a war already in progress – do you even need a casus belli? – besides the obvious ones of "can you take them" and "can you live with their lasting emnity"?
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« Reply #3206 on: June 15, 2013, 01:39:37 am »

I have only just now managed to get into this game after having it on my hard drive for a year and having staged a few abortive attempts at it. I'm not exactly good at it yet, or I'd have found a way to conquer all of little ol' Ireland by now and Scotland and Brittany wouldn't be sitting on parts of it either.

Speaking of that, are there advantages/disadvantages to joining a war already in progress – do you even need a casus belli? – besides the obvious ones of "can you take them" and "can you live with their lasting emnity"?

Not really any advantages unless you have a reason to want whomever's side you joins' goals happen. You can't like, join a war and then seize territories at an aside or anything like that; it's limited to the scope of whatever the war was originally declared for by the initial parties.
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« Reply #3207 on: June 15, 2013, 01:40:05 am »

No real disadvantages, but typically the only thing to be gained is a more favourable political situation: maybe you're supporting an ally against a larger foe or defending against a powerful heathen. Of course the the gold/piety/prestige you usually get in a war might be reward enough.
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« Reply #3208 on: June 15, 2013, 01:41:13 am »

I think your reward is equivalent to your contribution to the war. So even if you don't get any land, you are liable to get prestige and gold depending on how much you invest in the war effort. Also your allies will like you a hell of a lot more.

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« Reply #3209 on: June 15, 2013, 02:42:43 am »

it's theoretically possible that the Aztecs could have made advances in shipbuilding that took Eurasia well over a thousand years
Not unless they had somewhere to go (people don't build ships because they're exciting, the build them to ease trade.) However that's not what's happening. What we have here is what I like to call "The X-Com scenario"- a large group of people are invaded by a small but highly advanced group, in the process tides are turned and technology is scavenged (this is also the plot of the WorldWar series, for example).

but it's also possible that a meteor falls and destroys Spain
Not all of Spain, but, sure, a major city destroyed by some Tunguska analog, would alter history.

the Cathars invent the steam engine
Possible but irrelevant- steam engines are useless without coal. Trying to feed a steam-mill with lumber is less cost effective then just using a regular windmill.

[Cathars] defeat the Albigensian crusade with Gatling guns.
Where as this is out of the question entirely. You need so much technical and social change to pull this off, that to call the resulting society "Cathars" is at the very least misleading. Otherwise you will be left with one (or a couple) Gatling guns (designed by some ahead-of-his-time genius, already burned at the stake) and no ammo or personnel to run it after a few years.
Besides, Maxim Guns, while just a generation away from Gatlings, were a lot more devastating. If it can conquer Africa, it can beat back a bunch of frog eating surrender monkeys. But again- a Maxim gun without supply and production chains is just a 100 pound paperweight (monument?).
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