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Re: Crusader Kings 2 is released.
« Reply #1380 on: June 29, 2012, 11:41:11 am »

No, they weren't rebelling. Taurica is a Kingdom, who would they rebel against?

They did experience a Civil war shortly after it ended though, but its completely unrelated.
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« Reply #1381 on: June 29, 2012, 01:32:51 pm »

It was probably a weak claim, which can only be pushed if:
A) the person you are trying to steal from is a woman (and the claimant is a man)
B) they have a regent
C) they are already in a civil war (or some other kind of war)
D) titles the claimant is second or third in place to inherit

So its entirely possible that their king/duke/earl died, and got replaced with someone that you wouldn't be able to claim the province from, or he grew up so that you could no longer press the claim.
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« Reply #1382 on: June 29, 2012, 01:49:51 pm »

So its entirely possible that their king/duke/earl died, and got replaced with someone that you wouldn't be able to claim the province from, or he grew up so that you could no longer press the claim.

Can you actually confirm that it works like this?
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« Reply #1383 on: June 29, 2012, 01:52:05 pm »

I can't actually.
However, assuming that everything that he said is true, then it seems to be the most logical explanation.
EDIT: He said it was de jure though, so that would make my explanation not work. Maybe if the lands he was trying to conquer were absorbed de jure into their kingdom that would happen, but if that heppened he would lose his claim. *Shrugs* maybe it was just a glitch.
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« Reply #1384 on: June 30, 2012, 01:35:53 pm »

So I got my hands on the Sword of Islam DLC and the dynastic politics of Islamic nations is insane.

So for everyone out there who doesn't know here's my guide to how everything works.

So Muslim rulers have a minimum wife requirement thing, I've only been a Emir(Duke) and Sultan(King) so far but it seems to follow a pattern of 2 for a count/sheikh, 3 for a Duke, 4 for a King, 5 for an Emperor, for every wife you have below the wife requirement you lose 1 prestige every month, for every wife over you gain 1 prestige, there seems to be a limit on how many wives you're allowed to have at once, but I haven't really experimented with that yet. So, I hear you wondering, what's to stop me taking as many wives as possible to rake in that extra prestige? Well, nothing, except that the more wives you have the more they'll tend to stir up trouble.

See, while some Muslim rulers start out with gavelkind, or open elective succession, Muslims default to Turkish succession, and while they can all switch to Turkish succession, they can't seem to switch out of it without swapping religions.

Turkish succession is where the strongest son (the son with the most titles) inherits everything and all immediate relatives (such as uncles, brothers, and half brothers) will get a strong claim to the throne. Fortunately Muslims rulers get to imprison any relatives that are not their son, so if you have any relatives with land that can try to rebel you can immediately try to lock them up.

To top everything up there's decadence to deal with. See, every Muslim dynasty gets a decadence score that's raised by decadent relatives, as near as I can figure decadent relatives are male relatives that are sitting around the palace smoking hashish and eyeing up your wives, the mixed aura of impertinent rage and hashish smoke make your realm run worse and worse, it loses you tax income, worsens relations, and causes bad events. Whatever you smoke or eye up has no effect on decadence, it's just your sons, cousins, brothers, etc. that cause the problem.

There are a few different ways to take care of these relatives, first is just imprisoning them. You can imprison any relative that isn't your son, and only the parents will care. If they escape and run away to another realm they're someone else's problem (until that someone else uses their claim to declare war on you), if they have lands and they rebel you get to kick their arse. You still get a tyrant penalty if you try to imprison your sons, so you have to either assassinate them, make them your strongest son(being heir seems to take away decadence), or give them a position on the council. I thought that giving them lands would stop the decadence, but that apparently doesn't work.

You can lower decadence by having a very small personal demesne, giving land to dynasty members (this is a bad idea), fighting battles and sieges, and paying to throw a special feast for ramadan, the Muslim version of lent.

You'll notice I didn't talk about daughters much here. That's because daughters are largely irrelevant in all this, Muslims are stuck in the women never inherit mode, and there's no such thing as a matrilineal marriage for them. Which means they really are only ever useful for marrying off for an alliance.

Well that was a very lengthy explanation, did I miss anything?
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« Reply #1385 on: June 30, 2012, 02:10:56 pm »

I see you are unfamiliar with Muslim polygamy :p? Muslims can have up to four wives, so emperors have the same wife prestige requirements as kings.
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« Reply #1386 on: June 30, 2012, 04:23:44 pm »

It was probably a weak claim, which can only be pushed if:
A) the person you are trying to steal from is a woman (and the claimant is a man)
B) they have a regent
C) they are already in a civil war (or some other kind of war)
D) titles the claimant is second or third in place to inherit

So its entirely possible that their king/duke/earl died, and got replaced with someone that you wouldn't be able to claim the province from, or he grew up so that you could no longer press the claim.
no one who was a claimant or anything died
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« Reply #1387 on: June 30, 2012, 09:39:25 pm »

I thought that giving them lands would stop the decadence, but that apparently doesn't work.

You have to make them a tier under you; If you are a emir, you have to make your sons sheiks, if you are a sultan you have to make your son a emir. If you are an emperor, you have to make your kids sultans!
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« Reply #1388 on: July 01, 2012, 07:36:14 am »

So I threw a Grand tournament and got second place. Then I was like: "Wait, My king is blind and maimed..."
Damn my king is a badass.
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« Reply #1389 on: July 01, 2012, 07:42:02 am »

...Yes, I'm sure they didn't just let him win because he was king :P
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« Reply #1390 on: July 01, 2012, 08:07:05 am »

Picked this up in a paradox bundle on amazon for $12.49! Also had Victoria II, Magicka collection, and both Sword of the Stars games! Bargain!
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« Reply #1391 on: July 01, 2012, 08:16:28 am »

I've had a tournament where I scored first, second AND third place. Nope, no corruption in the results from the king in that tournament.
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« Reply #1392 on: July 01, 2012, 03:27:09 pm »

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?588964-Mod-Umbra-Spherae&highlight=Umbra+Spherae 
Sometimes you're just over whelmed with the effort modders go to.

For those without a Paradox account it's a "whole world mod".
Alpha screen: http://superkipje.com/images/86030258813768751222.png

It's of course still in very early stages and they're having to battle the gameplay mechanics which are so heavily focused on European feudalism, however, each DLC/Expansion/Major Patch that comes out increases the modding flexibility a large deal where it could even reach the point where it might even be pulled off. 
I hope you can't blame me for being giddy when I see a project like this and also the potential with the CKII to EUIII converter. Shinto Papal State anyone?
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« Reply #1393 on: July 01, 2012, 04:09:10 pm »

This game runs so slowly for me as a Cristian ruler, but much, MUCH smoother when playing a Muslim.... God damnit! (Or Allah damnit... whatever)

Now I'm waiting for a DLC that allows you to play pagans, because they're surely gonna release one! More monies eh

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« Reply #1394 on: July 01, 2012, 04:23:40 pm »

Orthodox DLC is probably next.
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