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[Iceblaster]

Ooooh. Honestly, I have no idea if you can breed a specific hair color to occur one hundred percent of the time. That'd be something in the code, sooo... Not a file we can pop into notepad++ and look at

[Lukewarm]

Ah, well my hopes and dreams of a cute world are shattered. On the plus side, if I don't have to worry about that then that makes land distribution a lot easier.
EDIT: upon further review, it looks like there is a DNA value for each character that determines the values of their offspring and red is a possible value for digit 9, so a pureblooded Ireland  might still be possible. All I have to do is exterminate all the lesser races less cute varieties of human. 

[Cruxador]

Are there easy ways of handling those? I've successfully added stuff to Localization, but it's an annoying process and a process that bothersome makes it a lot harder to work up the motivation to do it.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean. If it is adding new ones, you just find or create a new csv file in localization and place the new stuff there. If you want to edit existing stuff, you need to find where it is and change it. Simple as that. Though I recommend creating a mod instead of changing the base files.

Spoiler: Also, Dev Diary (click to show/hide)

Hello all, it’s been a while, but it’s my turn to write a Dev Diary again! Today I’m going to tell you about the Treasury system we’re adding in 2.7. This system itself is part of the free patch. However, a lot of the content for it is part of Monks and Mystics.

The Treasury is where characters store their items, such as weapons, artifacts, or holy relics. In many ways items are much like Character Modifiers which you are likely already familiar with, but Character Modifiers are a fairly limited and not entirely clear system. With the new Treasury system we have greater control over how they work and when they are active as well as more UI space to display and explain them. Not only that, this system allows items to be inheritable and stealable.

We hope that seeing your character’s items as physical object rather than just a number on their character sheet will offer greater immersion, especially for player who like to focus on role-playing. Sure, in the past you could find a nice axe to increase your personal combat skill, but it was just another number - now you’ll see a gleaming axe, ready to hew the limbs from your foes!


this is not quite final artwork, but it should be similar to what we end up with

As an example, say your Character has found the Holy Grail - you will now see the Grail in your Treasury with a picture and a description as well as the effects of owning it. Further, if some Norseman comes along and raids your castle, there’s a chance that he’ll make off with your precious Grail - however, since he’s not a Christian your most holy relic is nothing more than a fancy cup to him.

As mentioned, items are also inheritable, they all go to a character’s primary heir. In the event someone dies without an heir, the items will pass to their liege if they have one, but they have a chance of being lost in the process. If an independant character dies without heirs, their items are lost - although if time permits we have talked about them having a chance to be snapped up by powerful vassals.

For 2.7 we’re converting several character modifiers into items, such as the +1 axe you might find while raiding, the saint’s bones you might find on a pilgrimage, or the trophy you made from the skull of your rival. With Monks and Mystics we’re adding a lot more, such as:

• Commissioning swords from skilled smiths.
• Buying fabulous Crown Jewels.
• Hunting for Holy Artifacts.

As well as the items you can find or make while playing, we have also added a system to place some Artifacts into character’s Treasuries when a new game is started. These are mostly placed at random to keep things interesting, but there are also a few historical artifacts given to famous characters.

Between this and the last one, it seems like a major goal of the new DLC is to add official systems for stuff that modders have previously implemented with roundabout hacks. Paradox may be looking to a future where the sales of CK2 are driven entirely by mods... And that's not unrealistic, really.

[Teneb]

Are there easy ways of handling those? I've successfully added stuff to Localization, but it's an annoying process and a process that bothersome makes it a lot harder to work up the motivation to do it.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean. If it is adding new ones, you just find or create a new csv file in localization and place the new stuff there. If you want to edit existing stuff, you need to find where it is and change it. Simple as that. Though I recommend creating a mod instead of changing the base files.

Spoiler: Also, Dev Diary (click to show/hide)

Hello all, it’s been a while, but it’s my turn to write a Dev Diary again! Today I’m going to tell you about the Treasury system we’re adding in 2.7. This system itself is part of the free patch. However, a lot of the content for it is part of Monks and Mystics.

The Treasury is where characters store their items, such as weapons, artifacts, or holy relics. In many ways items are much like Character Modifiers which you are likely already familiar with, but Character Modifiers are a fairly limited and not entirely clear system. With the new Treasury system we have greater control over how they work and when they are active as well as more UI space to display and explain them. Not only that, this system allows items to be inheritable and stealable.

We hope that seeing your character’s items as physical object rather than just a number on their character sheet will offer greater immersion, especially for player who like to focus on role-playing. Sure, in the past you could find a nice axe to increase your personal combat skill, but it was just another number - now you’ll see a gleaming axe, ready to hew the limbs from your foes!


this is not quite final artwork, but it should be similar to what we end up with

As an example, say your Character has found the Holy Grail - you will now see the Grail in your Treasury with a picture and a description as well as the effects of owning it. Further, if some Norseman comes along and raids your castle, there’s a chance that he’ll make off with your precious Grail - however, since he’s not a Christian your most holy relic is nothing more than a fancy cup to him.

As mentioned, items are also inheritable, they all go to a character’s primary heir. In the event someone dies without an heir, the items will pass to their liege if they have one, but they have a chance of being lost in the process. If an independant character dies without heirs, their items are lost - although if time permits we have talked about them having a chance to be snapped up by powerful vassals.

For 2.7 we’re converting several character modifiers into items, such as the +1 axe you might find while raiding, the saint’s bones you might find on a pilgrimage, or the trophy you made from the skull of your rival. With Monks and Mystics we’re adding a lot more, such as:

• Commissioning swords from skilled smiths.
• Buying fabulous Crown Jewels.
• Hunting for Holy Artifacts.

As well as the items you can find or make while playing, we have also added a system to place some Artifacts into character’s Treasuries when a new game is started. These are mostly placed at random to keep things interesting, but there are also a few historical artifacts given to famous characters.

Between this and the last one, it seems like a major goal of the new DLC is to add official systems for stuff that modders have previously implemented with roundabout hacks. Paradox may be looking to a future where the sales of CK2 are driven entirely by mods... And that's not unrealistic, really.

Yeah. Pretty much. After all, EU4 may be the flagship title, but CK2 is incredibly loved the fanbase. And this is the penultimate DLC. Bethesda games sell well after any DLC stop coming out because of mods. Paradox is probably trying the same.

[Mephansteras]

Oof. Been too long since I played, I forgot how strong tribal stuff can be.

DOW'd a small neighboring chiefdom with just two provinces. He was listed as having ~600 troops and -30 gold. This will be easy!

Wrong! Guy had 600 renown and 600 Piety. Cue 10,000 troops popping up out of nowhere. Even with me adding in Tribal troops of my own plus my 1000+ levies and my 7 tribal vassels we couldn't quite match that number. Sheesh.


Also, elective Gavelkind is annoying as all hell. Stop nominating successors from out of kingdom for your areas, you jerks!

And I thought normal Gavelkind was bad...

[Iceblaster]

This is why you heck prestige before declaring on a tribal ruler

Though honestly, I think it really should only matter if a non-tribal ruler is attacking instead of always. As, IIRC, the whole reason that mechanic's a thing is because tribes would be easy pickings for feudal rulers without them.

because i mean. tribes are pretty easy even with a minor troop difference when sieging. not even counting armies being mostly light infantry. so heavy infantry > light infantry.

[Twinwolf]

Seems Paradox is having a sale on... basically everything for this game.

[Twinwolf]

So on the topic of the thing I posted:

I've got the game, had it for a while but it never worked, but it seems they've done some optimization so now it runs smoothly meaning I can actually play. What DLC do you guys recommend?

[hector13]

The Republic (for playable Republics and retinues) The Old Gods (for playable Pagans and extra start dates)  Sword of Islam (playable Muslims) Charlemagne (adds tribes and even earlier start dates) Way of Life (fleshed out characters) Horse Lords (adds nomads) Conclave (makes vassals relevant) and Sons of Abraham (playable Jews and a bit more fleshed out Christianity)

I haven't got Reaper's Due, so I can't say if rampant disease is fun. Old Gods, Charlemagne, The Republic and Way of Life are mandatory, I'd say.

Rajas of India also adds playable Indian dynasties, if you like that kinda thing too.

[MrRoboto75]

So on the topic of the thing I posted:

I've got the game, had it for a while but it never worked, but it seems they've done some optimization so now it runs smoothly meaning I can actually play. What DLC do you guys recommend?

Depends.  Most of the expansions just give you more kinds of people to play as.  Old Gods is pretty good, it allows you to play an earlier time, and unlocks pagans to play as.  Pagans tend to have a faster, more aggressive style of play, and can raid people for more dosh.

Legacy of Rome adds Retinues, which some people think is essential.  Retinues are standing armies outside of levies you can maintain.  Also makes Byzantine Rome playable.

Way of Life allows you to set a life focus for your ruler.  Each focus gives a stat boost, but also unlocks special events, which can be fun.  Also fleshes out children's education.

[Tawa]

The Republic (for playable Republics and retinues) The Old Gods (for playable Pagans and extra start dates)  Sword of Islam (playable Muslims) Charlemagne (adds tribes and even earlier start dates) Way of Life (fleshed out characters) Horse Lords (adds nomads) Conclave (makes vassals relevant) and Sons of Abraham (playable Jews and a bit more fleshed out Christianity)

I haven't got Reaper's Due, so I can't say if rampant disease is fun. Old Gods, Charlemagne, The Republic and Way of Life are mandatory, I'd say.

Rajas of India also adds playable Indian dynasties, if you like that kinda thing too.

Legacy of Rome adds retinues. Republic is just republics. Additionally, you may want to clarify that Charlemagne adds tribal Christian rulers in Ireland and Pictland in the new start date, rather than just tribes in general.

I hear that Reaper's Due is really good, though, it's a ton more than just plagues and stuff. Like, instead of generic "maimed", now you lose an arm, or a leg, or an eye. You can now torture people instead of executing, ransoming, or releasing them, and if you execute them you get a specific description of how they're executed, including hanging, drawing, and quartering and sawing in half. Also, provinces that haven't seen turmoil in a while get "prosperity", which earns you extra taxes and the like.

Depends.  Most of the expansions just give you more kinds of people to play as.  Old Gods is pretty good, it allows you to play an earlier time, and unlocks pagans to play as.  Pagans tend to have a faster, more aggressive style of play, and can raid people for more dosh.

Legacy of Rome adds Retinues, which some people think is essential.  Retinues are standing armies outside of levies you can maintain.  Also makes Byzantine Rome playable.

Way of Life allows you to set a life focus for your ruler.  Each focus gives a stat boost, but also unlocks special events, which can be fun.  Also fleshes out children's education.

LoR just adds more stuff for Byzantine Rome and lets you form the Roman empire, and Conclave is the DLC that fleshes out education, not Way of Life.

[Teneb]

Do you like monks?

Spoiler: CK2 DD#35: Who ordered these Monks? (click to show/hide)

Hello again, everyone! Doomdark was going to tell you more about Societies this week, but he’s locked in the dungeon too busy, so I have seized power taken on this duty. So let’s talk about Monks.

In Monks and Mystics, we have added 8 Monastic Order Societies. There are two Catholic orders, the Benedictines and the Dominicans, while the Orthodox, Miaphysites, Nestorians, Hindus, Buddhists, and Jains each have their own order. Now, while actual Monks and Priests can of course join these Societies and are likely to advance more quickly through the ranks, it’s quite possible for secular characters to join these orders as lay members / patrons and reach the highest ranks.


Life in the Monastic orders is focused on learning, piety, and good deeds. Typically members will be expected to use the Theology focus (if you have the Way of Life expansion), perform Charity, help build new Temples, go on Pilgrimages, and engage in prayer or meditation.


Time spent in self-reflection does have its upsides though; through these acts characters will tend to better themselves, losing negative traits like vices and gaining more godly virtues. Not to mention that time spent reading and then debating the meaning of books is helpful in increasing Learning and Diplomacy skills. At the highest levels, members can also counsel other characters in their realm, to encourage them to end their sinful ways.

Dominicans: Religious province conversion significantly faster, and a bonus to the “Hunt Heretics” counciler job.
Benedictines: Can get rid of “Slothful” and gain “Diligent” by donating money.
Hindus: Higher Fertility and Health.
Buddhists: revolt risk reduction.
Jains: opinion bonus with other Jains.
Miaphysites, Orthodox and Nestorians: More income from Temple vassals.
All: Chance of losing many negative traits and gaining positive ones over time.


new dharmic pilgrimage chain

That's all for now, and indeed that'll all the DDs for this year as we'll be on holiday for the next couple of weeks! But we'll be back on the 9th of January to talk about more Societies. And if you need to hear more about MnM, I believe we'll be showing some gameplay in our Three Kings stream in under an hour (1700 CET)

[Ehndras]

There better be some Old Gods mechanics to this. The Norse are way too two-dimensional right now. The focus seems to be on Christianizing the Norse, not the other way around.

I only play as Pagan, and don't give a flying squirrel about Christian mechanics, nor can I play as anyone else beside the two.

I WILL cleanse the world of Catholicism - me and my Jewish cousins.

[hector13]

Have the Dharmic and/or Pagan religions been fleshed out at all since they were added?

[Mephansteras]

There better be some Old Gods mechanics to this. The Norse are way too two-dimensional right now. The focus seems to be on Christianizing the Norse, not the other way around.

I only play as Pagan, and don't give a flying squirrel about Christian mechanics, nor can I play as anyone else beside the two.

I WILL cleanse the world of Catholicism - me and my Jewish cousins.

Yeah, I prefer to play as Pagan as well and would love to see those religions fleshed out more.