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[Teneb]

Hm. interesting. Could try that.

Honestly, I kinda wish I could use HIP without it lagging my game to shit. Especially after hearing it be praised time and time again on reddit. Meh. I can stick with ck2+ i guess

Right now though, I'm thinking of doing a jew run. Are the nomadic jews good at jewing or are the Semien jews better. Because I've tried the nomads. Expansion is hard :v

The nomad jews are nomads and as such can snowball like very few things can. Semien, on the other hand, is pain.

[Persus13]

Meanwhile, google has resorted to using CKII portraits as the images for early Muslim historical figures

[Man of Paper]

I pee'd a little.

[Iceblaster]

Trust me, I've tried HIP with as many things on or off. Nothing seems to help the lag I get. Even with Vanilla map :c

[Teneb]

There's been a new dev diary.

Spoiler: Usual copy+paste (click to show/hide)

By the grace of God, I am finally back and able to pen another development diary, though my hands are still unsteady from the shocking things I saw while in hiding. I think it best to simply recount my harrowing experiences of the last few weeks. For those with eyes to see and ears to hear, there is much to be learned from my travails.

For many months, I had felt that something strange was going on at the office. In hindsight, the signs were all there; colleagues naming their daughters “Sophia”, hushed talk of “secret knowledge” and Dan “podcat” Lind suddenly breaking off his presentation of the next Hearts of Iron IV expansion in order to explain how the Creator is just an “evil emanation of the original Monad”. But it wasn’t until Björn “Metal King” Iversen took me aside to listen to the subliminal messages in various Judas Priest tracks that I finally realized the truth: the company had been infiltrated by Sethian Gnostics! I recognized some of the messages from the Second Treatise of the Great Seth and the Gospel of Judas...

I suddenly did not want to help Björn record any more death sounds. Who knows how many souls he has helped “liberate” from this earthly prison in his infernal studio? He eyed me with suspicion when I assured him that I had already achieved Gnosis. Beating a hasty retreat, I was forced to skulk in various unused meeting rooms for a full week until I could finally make my escape. While in hiding, I witnessed many disturbing sights; people wearing inverted pentagrams and muttering to themselves, a secret follower of Mahomet performing an odd prayer ritual, various outlandish and no doubt fraternal handshakes, and worst of all; a vile heathen festival in the lunchroom involving spiderwebs, skulls and a bloody brew spewing smoke.

The rot runs deep. There are worse things afoot than mere Gnostic heretics... I fear there are several other corrupt sects burrowing like ticks within our ranks. How could this happen? What malign stars have aligned in the skies above our afflicted nation? Dark heresiarchs are at work in the Realm, pulling strings from the shadows and inducting naïve game developers into their subversive cabals. Who can feel safe in these dark times?

I have written the Holy See with a plea for aid. My sole hope lies in the Holy Father, Pope Francis, though I wonder if he is made of stern enough stuff to unleash the Hounds of God, for I fear only the Dominicans can save us now, as they did in the times of Cardinal Torquemada, bless his soul...

May God send us a light, for the darkness surrounds us!

My guess is, aside from the obvious gnosticism, that we'll be getting more religion mechanics like monastic orders (such as the inquisitive Dominicans).


In mod-related news, Geheimnisnacht updated. Am happy.

[Rolan7]

the worm lord rises
the worm lord rises
the worm lord rises!

I bet you're right, but I particularly like the culty vibe they're suggesting.  Maybe heresies will have a gestation period during which it's possible to detect and root them out, rather than the county just switching.

Mechanics for occult groups would be fantastic too.

[Digital Hellhound]

I'm right in the middle of writing an essay on the Cathars, so this is very good timing. Heresies! Gnosticism! Dominicans and Fransiscans! The Inquisition! I am so ready.

[Persus13]

Aren't the Inquisitions out of the game's time frame?  I know the Spanish inquisition wasn't a big thing until the 1400s, and I was under the impression the Papal Inquisition was about the same timeframe. I suppose it could pop earlier depending on how quickly you reconquer Spain or in other contexts. Excited to see Monastic orders be a thing. Hopefully this will flesh out some of the religious politics and not just ruler-pope interactions.

Anyway, this area of medieval history in popular things always gets me nervous because its easy to overly simplify stuff to the point of inaccuracy.

[Kot]

I hope that we finally be able to play theocracies.
Inb4 conquering the whole world as Templars.

[Culise]

Aren't the Inquisitions out of the game's time frame?  I know the Spanish inquisition wasn't a big thing until the 1400s, and I was under the impression the Papal Inquisition was about the same timeframe. I suppose it could pop earlier depending on how quickly you reconquer Spain or in other contexts. Excited to see Monastic orders be a thing. Hopefully this will flesh out some of the religious politics and not just ruler-pope interactions.

Anyway, this area of medieval history in popular things always gets me nervous because its easy to overly simplify stuff to the point of inaccuracy.

The Inquisition, as we typically consider it (with the definite article), began in 1229.  They were especially prominent with the rise of the Cathars and Waldensians (the former of whom sparked their formal inception), but even before that, there were still systems of proscription or imprisonment for heretical tendencies.  There were other inquisitions before that, however, as well as since.  Most prominently of the mid-13th century, however, the use of torture and the position of a Grand Inquisitor to lead inquisitions began during this period as well.

[Digital Hellhound]

Aren't the Inquisitions out of the game's time frame?  I know the Spanish inquisition wasn't a big thing until the 1400s, and I was under the impression the Papal Inquisition was about the same timeframe. I suppose it could pop earlier depending on how quickly you reconquer Spain or in other contexts. Excited to see Monastic orders be a thing. Hopefully this will flesh out some of the religious politics and not just ruler-pope interactions.

Anyway, this area of medieval history in popular things always gets me nervous because its easy to overly simplify stuff to the point of inaccuracy.

The Inquisition was founded primarily to combat the Cathars in the 1200s, so it's well within the game's timeframe. Dominicans and Franciscans come in at about the same time - they were pretty important to the Inquisition especially early on.

FAKE EDIT: And ninja'd. Baw.

[Persus13]

Okay then cool, I knew Dominicans and Franciscans were within the game's timeframe, I just didn't know the exact time period of the non-Spanish Inquisition.

Also, isn't the title of Grand Inquisitor a Spanish thing?

[Teneb]

Okay then cool, I knew Dominicans and Franciscans were within the game's timeframe, I just didn't know the exact time period of the non-Spanish Inquisition.

Also, isn't the title of Grand Inquisitor a Spanish thing?

Not exactly. The heads of each inquisition were not actually appointed by the Pope (though he could suggest), instead they were appointed by the king of the realm in which they operated in. At any rate, the inquisition only really got in full swing by the end of CK2's timeframe, though it did start with the first heresies popping up. Since heresies can appear way earlier in CK2, I think it's fair to add inquisitors that only start to appear once heretics are about.

I wonder if they'll show inquisitors executing people (which didn't happen, the Church had a no-kill policy (torture was ok as long as no blood was shed)), or imprisoning and handing the heretics off to secular authorities.

[Persus13]

Not exactly. The heads of each inquisition were not actually appointed by the Pope (though he could suggest), instead they were appointed by the king of the realm in which they operated in. At any rate, the inquisition only really got in full swing by the end of CK2's timeframe, though it did start with the first heresies popping up. Since heresies can appear way earlier in CK2, I think it's fair to add inquisitors that only start to appear once heretics are about.

I wonder if they'll show inquisitors executing people (which didn't happen, the Church had a no-kill policy (torture was ok as long as no blood was shed)), or imprisoning and handing the heretics off to secular authorities.

Yeah, this is what I'm hoping they do.

[Digital Hellhound]

I wonder if they'll show inquisitors executing people (which didn't happen, the Church had a no-kill policy (torture was ok as long as no blood was shed)), or imprisoning and handing the heretics off to secular authorities.

In practice, they sometimes did - there were a few mass killings by very overzealous inquisitiors, even. Much fewer than what's generally thought, though. Torture was limited (and much more common with secular justice). Generally, the secular punishment was death, so they knew what'd happen when they handed off heretics to secular authorities. Sympathetic courts generally just let the heretics go free - some places even forced inquisitions out thanks to heretic sympathies or dislike for the heavyhandedness of inquisitions.

EDIT: Papal inquisitions were a thing, but they had trouble acting when local rulers didn't want them there. In fact, I'm hoping meddling papal legates and inquisitors become a thing - suddenly swooping in accusing your best advisor of heresy, maybe stripping them of their office. You can stop them, but you'll anger the Pope. I'm hoping it'll be possible to live with heretics in your court without huge opinion penalties and to be sympathetic to heretics, because historically that was fairly common (though so was zealous persecution). For example, the southern lords of the Albigensian Crusade weren't generally Cathars, but they tolerated or even supported them and often had wives and sisters who were.

can you tell i've been writing a cathar essay all week