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[Ottofar]

Can I have spoilspec?

[Diablous]

Can I have spoilspec?

Yeah, sure.

Okay, PMs sent. Flavor finished. Chat set up. I think we are ready. If I've screwed up somewhere, let me know.
 


The town used to be a happy, peaceful place. That's the way it used to be. It all started to go to hell once the Mafia came. They tried to take over, and the town fought back. The conflict grew. Eventually it, combined with other disasters, lead to the destruction of both. Only nine people survived. But the conflict has yet to cease. It has been discovered that two of the survivors were in the Mafia, but who they are is still unknown.

Violent storms prevent any from escaping the ruined town, and the remaining townspeople desires for vengeance grows rapidly. Eventually a decision is made. Each day one will die. This will repeat until the remnants of the Mafia have been destroyed.
 
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Day 1 starts now, and ends Wednesday, 7 PM EST.
 
Votecount:
eclipsetail - {0}
Scatterbrain - {0}
USEC_OFFICER - {0}
shibdib - {0}
Zako - {0}
TheBroodyMoods - {0}
Spartan 117 - {0}
breadbocks - {0}
Zathras - {0}
 
 
Not voting
eclipsetail, Scatterbrain, USEC_OFFICER, shibdib, Zako, TheBroodyMoods, Spartan 117, breadbocks, Zathras
 
 
Place your votes in red, so I can find them easily. Requests to extend the day by 24 hours, shorten it by 24 hours, or just end the day all together in bold. A few rules. No quoting your role PM, and no editing your post after you've made it. Not even to correct some grammar or spelling mistake.
 
Okay, I think that's everything. Begin!

[Vector]

For all of the newbies and not-so-newbies, I present...

Spoiler: Dakarian's Guide to Scumhunting! (click to show/hide)

A VERY rough sketch of how a scumhunt is done (to help those who aren't sure now).


Step 1: When you have no suspicions on anyone, pick someone at random (I MEAN random.. some use Random.org for this!), take a glance as their past posts, and talk to them, usually with a vote.  The goal is not to kill but to learn more about them.  The vote is a "Pressure Vote", simply used to make sure they don't ignore you.

Step 2: When someone feels 'off' to you: perhaps you disliked their answer, or maybe they scare you, or confuse you with their text.  Perhaps they look fine but your feelings or your gut says something is wrong. Perhaps you see them do one scumtell.  Don't ignore it: make them your target.  Attack them.  Tell them what bothers you about them.  Push them, harass them.  Tell them how scummy they are.  Ask them every question in the book.. and I mean EVERYTHING:

Litia: "You bother me.  Vote Dakarian!"

Dak: Meh.  Why?

Litia: "Because you bother me.  Why are you pushing me off as if it doesn't matter?"

Dak: "What? No, you just have nothing on me."

Litia: "You're voting for Vector.  why?"

Dak: "He looked scummy.."

Litia: "Vagueness is a scumtell!  "Scummy.. how is he scummy!"

Dak: "He just is.. you don't have a reason to go after me either."

Litia: "OMGUSing now Mr.Scum?  Being defensive?  You also didn't answer my question!"


Note, this is Step 2: Litia doesn't feel like she knows Dakarian is scum.. just had a 'feeling'.  She has no hard evidence, nothing real.  The questions are to add pressure.. make Dakarian crack and panic.  If you did it right, they WILL town or scum.  WHEN they do, you will be able to see more of their true self.  From there, decide if you can find them as scum for truth.  If you don't: pull out and go to your next suspect: if no one else is there, go back to Step 1.

If you do believe they are scum after that, Step 3:


Step 3: When you believe someone is scum, gather evidence.  Find every scum tell, every sign of their true motives.  Pull more from them.  DON'T LET GO!  Even if the town ignores you or even votes for you because of it, DO IT ANYWAY!  Push, push, PUSH, ***PUSH*** until you have solid proof of what they are.

If you can't find enough to prove them and run out of things to say, check one more time to see if you still feel he's scum, then pull back, look at others (Step 2) but be ready to go back to them at any time.  If your convinced and ready to kill them, Step 4

Step 4: Final step.  It's time to convince the town.  Show what you have.  Push the target so they show more scumminess.  Attack, but do it only to demonstrate to the town what you KNOW is true.  You aren't trying to argue with the mafia anymore.. you are trying to show the town why you are right and Mr.Mafia MUST be lynched.  If you are at this point, only 3 things can happen:

1.  The scum is lynched.
2. You are given so much information that you become CONVINCED that the target is town. (no less than CONVINCED.. doubt, maybe, 'perhaps' won't due)
3. You are dead.



That's how a basic scumhunt is done.  One last note on doubt:

Doubt is something that's ok to have but UGLY to show.  If you doubt or have second thoughts, DON'T DISPLAY IT.  If you think "He looks passive but I don't know..."  you SAY "You scum!  Stop being passive!!!"  If you think "He may have a good reason to attack guy really." say "Give me your reasons and stop being vague."

Doubt is something for yourself.  When you have doubt, go back and see if your original ideas still hold up.  If they do or if you find yourself saying "I'm not sure" then go back to the attack until you are sure.  This ain't the USA: we play by Guilty until Proven Innocent here.  Unless you can get yourself to believe they may be honest, keep the attack.

So doubt is ok to have if used right.. but the town does NOT need to hear it.  If you doubt, accuse anyway as if you know.  If you wonder, accuse as if you know it.  If you know the answer, ASK ANYWAY and let THEM answer.  Make them convince you they are town: don't do the job for them.


And that's scumhunting in a nutshell.  Everyone, try to figure out what Step you are on and work accordingly.  Note that you should be almost done Step 1 by the end of Day 1 (though some may be higher by then).  If you aren't, keep random voting and consider an Extension.

If you don't know WHAT you are.. you're in Step 1.  Get to random voting.

Last note: 'Not voting' should only be done when you are doing a quick look over everyone's past.  Otherwise, your vote and your attention should always be on SOMEONE, even if it is at random.

It's best for a lynch to be for a reason reason.. but it's better for someone to be lynched randomly than for no lynch to occur at all.

Seriously: read it and use it.  It is your friend.

[breadbocks]

To start off the game and generate wtf?'s I contrarily vote breadbocks.

[Vector]

To start off the game and generate wtf?'s I contrarily vote breadbocks.

... Don't do that, sweetheart.  If you're town, "generating WTF's" should be the last thing on your mind.

You aren't trying to get reactions out of yourself--you need to get them out of other people, and putting yourself in center stage is generally a bad idea.

[TheBroodyMoods]

I'd like to kick it off with Zako, having used Random.org.

Tell me about yourself Zako.

Also, breadbocks, in what way does voting for yourself seem like a good idea? You seem to be asking for a Lynch, as opposed to scum hunting. :/

[breadbocks]

Also, breadbocks, in what way does voting for yourself seem like a good idea? You seem to be asking for a Lynch, as opposed to scum hunting. :/

It doesn't. First post, used to generate conversation. No point in making a truly random vote, and I'm interested on how people react to my arbitrary vote. With the mild understanding of thought process I have, I could in theory get a lead on scum. That could be my strategy, or I could be covering the possible scum position I may or may not have by voting for myself leading people to think I'm a Joker type position, or I could be a bored town role/townie. Take that as you will, I'm in this to win, be I a town-sider, a Scum-sider, or a third party.

[Vector]

There are no jokers in this game.  There are also no third parties in this game.

Just... FYI.

[Scatterbrain]

alright, let's get this show on the road!

shibdib, what did you think of the last beginners mafia? did you learn anything from it?

[breadbocks]

There are no jokers in this game.  There are also no third parties in this game.

Just... FYI.

Damn it. Really? I was looking forward to have an excuse to try the [ur=http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=BBB's_Gambitl]BBB gambit[/url]. Would be interesting to see the town deliberate whether s/he was who they said they were (Scum) and should be lynched, or if they were a Joker.

[Scatterbrain]

yep; newbie setup has only four (five? can town get a roleblocker?) roles - cop, doc, mafia roleblocked, godfather. which of these roles are present and which are not is picked randomly - in the last BM, town didn't have any roles, whilst scum got godfather and roleblocker.

[Scatterbrain]

fakeedit: mafia roleblocker*

[Diablous]

(five? can town get a roleblocker?)

Nope. But yeah, cop, doctor, mafia roleblocker, and godfather are the only power roles that can appear in this game.

[Vector]

Damn it. Really? I was looking forward to have an excuse to try the BBB gambit. Would be interesting to see the town deliberate whether s/he was who they said they were (Scum) and should be lynched, or if they were a Joker.

Probably the stupidest of all gambits in the world, BBB's Gambit is the gambit that, when you claim scum and ask the Town to lynch you, they will assume you are Jester, and proceed to not lynch you.

...

Nice going, doodabuddy.

[breadbocks]

Perhaps you could look at the title of the thread. I'd try it, because I mean, well, take a look:

In recorded history, this has only been performed once, by buhbuhbam13. The most interesting part of this case is that upon performing the Gambit, BBB did not intend to win the game. He, however, did. Here is a small excerpt from that game:

No one would suspect it, and it worked, right?