And don't forget to answer my question either Zathras.
You didn't ask me a question.
Oh really? Then whats this?
Plus, I saw that you supported the shortening Zathras and Breadlocks. Explain yourselves!
That is not a question. Questions generally end with one of these --> "?"
As to the explanation, I gave it in my posts:
here:
The problem, breadbocks, is that the BBB gambit would only help scum, even if it worked. There is no reason for a townie to try it, only for a scum, so you really just have yourself to blame.
Here:
Again, I wanted an excuse to try it, not that I have one. I see being scum as being an excuse.
Ouch. OK, then unvote eclipsetail, vote breadbocks. Let's get this over with so we can go back to RVS/scumhunting without the BBB thing hanging over our heads.
And here:
Yeah... on the other hand, I'd rather the game proceed faster and that breadbox does get the noose. I agree we need to get back into deliberations, RVS and scumhunting, but the BBB thing would just prevent or distract from that. I'd rather not wait until wednesday for this to end. Also, if we just ignore breadbox, we get the worst possible result: the BBB works and someone tries it again.
I also see that you haven't taken back your shortening of the day unvote so why is that Zathras?
Because my point stands. The worst case is that we
don't lynch breadbox, the BBB gambit works, and someone tries it again. If he eventually (after today) does flip scum, it's even worse. My vote for
breadbocks and my request to
shorten the day stand.
And another thing:
[...]why lynch the lurkers when you could just replace them? Takes away a lynch from us to kill a inactive player. I don't really see much logic in that.
The "lynch all lurkers" position is common, and valid. Lurking, whether town or scum, hurts town. Scum lurk as a strategy, and a player posting as little as possible is a scumtell. If we allow people to lurk unchallenged, it only strengthens the scum's position, being able to hide behind it to lurk as a strategy, going unnoticed, and avoiding dropping scumtells.
On a related note, from the meta point of view: these games can take
forever if activity dies, and an active anti-lurk policy helps keep people around and talkative. I'd rather this game doesn't last a month or more, as I've seen others do. Since I fully expect breadbox to be very inactive now that his gambit didn't work (unless we
let it work), shortening and lynching helps the game progress faster. This paragraph is not pro- or anti- town, it's meta on what I consider a mafia game interesting, lively, active and fun. Lurking hurts the players.
TL;DR: I believe breadbox is probably scum, and certainly anti-town and too dumb to live. Lurkers in general hurt town and should be pressured to stop.
Broody, bread is obvtown to me. Read my post reguarding him and think about it, there is no point to lynching him just so that we can get to playing. Thats what the scum want. I'm not defending him, what he did was stupid, but it wasn't scummy in my eyes. Just newbish. And for the record, I never said you shortened the day, I was talking to Zathras and bread when I said that.
Hmm. You
are defending him (saying he's obvtown, even after
this). Why would you do that? Wasn't "I see being scum as an excuse" scummy? I see in your post a scum attempting to salvage the situation of having a dumb scum-mate. FoS on you,
Zako.
On other things,
USEC, please do elaborate on the "several" scumtells you have spotted so far. Also,
Spartan117, what's your take on the BBB gambit thing, and do you have any suspicions yet?
My current suspicions, in descending order of scummitude:
- Breadbox; for reasons above.
- Spartan; for lurking to stay out of the light as a scum strategy.
- Zako; for defending breadbox and saying he's "not scummy".
- Scatterbrain, USEC; some lurking, need to tell us more about their observations.
- Broody, eclipse; seem townie enough so far.
- shibdib; no data. Show up, get replaced, or die.