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[Cthulhu]

Someone should be a spiked chain fighter.

Also, we're gonna spend like ten pages getting ready and Criptfiend won't even come back.

[Heron TSG]

Someone should be a spiked chain fighter.

Also, we're gonna spend like ten pages getting ready and Criptfiend won't even come back.

Considering that I'd have to use a weapon that would be two size classes larger than me, (assuming you meant the large chain fighter build, which is crazy cheap) the most likely candidate would be Merrian, though it'd be awesome to see a sorceror who isn't just a squishy finger wiggler.

I hope Criptfeind comes back, 'cause I really want to try this ranger.

[RAM]

In the interests of playing with dead threads I decided to post a character, probably buy a chain shirt, +1 spiked chain, some javelins, and basic gear...

Spoiler: hopelessly feat-starved (click to show/hide)

Arman Woyan the Wise

Male Human Cleric 2 / Fighter 1
Chaotic Good
Representing RAM

Strength    16   (+3)
Dexterity    14   (+2)
Constitution    10   (+0)
Intelligence    14   (+2)
Wisdom    15   (+2)
Charisma    8   (-1)
   
Size:    Medium
Height:    5' 11"
Weight:    230 lb
Skin:    Light
Eyes:    Blue
Hair:    Blond; Straight; Beardless

Domains: Luck Strength

Energy: Positive [Healing / Turns Undead]

Total Hit Points: 25

Speed: 30 feet

Armor Class: 16 = 10 +4 [chain shirt] +2 [dexterity]

      Touch AC: 12
      Flat-footed: 14

Initiative modifier:   +2   = +2 [dexterity]
Fortitude save:   +5   = 5 [base]
Reflex save:   +2   = 0 [base] +2 [dexterity]
Will save:   +5   = 3 [base] +2 [wisdom]
Attack (handheld):   +5   = 2 [base] +3 [strength]
Attack (unarmed):   +5   = 2 [base] +3 [strength]
Attack (missile):   +4   = 2 [base] +2 [dexterity]
Grapple check:   +5   = 2 [base] +3 [strength]

Light load:
Medium load:
Heavy load:
Lift over head:
Lift off ground:
Push or drag:
   76 lb. or less
77-153 lb.
154-230 lb.
230 lb.
460 lb.
1150 lb.

Languages:   Celestial Common Draconic

Gauntlet [1d3, crit x2, 1 lb, light, bludgeoning]

Spiked Gauntlet [1d4, crit x2, 1 lb, light, piercing]

Spiked Chain [2d4, crit x2, 10 lb., two-handed, piercing]

Chain shirt [light; +4 AC; max dex +4; check penalty -2; 25 lb.]

Feats:

      Combat Expertise   
      Improved Trip   
      Combat Reflexes   
      Exotic Weapon Proficiency   Weapon:

Traits:

Skill Name
   
Key
Ability
   
Skill
Modifier
   
Ability
Modifier
   
Ranks
   
Misc.
Modifier
Appraise    Int    2 =    
+2
      
Balance    Dex*    2 =    
+2
      
Bluff    Cha    -1 =    
-1
      
Climb    Str*    3 =    
+3
      
Concentration    Con    6 =    
+0
   +6    
Craft_1    Int    2 =    
+2
      
Craft_2    Int    2 =    
+2
      
Craft_3    Int    2 =    
+2
      
Diplomacy    Cha    5 =    
-1
   +6    
Disguise    Cha    -1 =    
-1
      
Escape Artist    Dex*    2 =    
+2
      
Forgery    Int    2 =    
+2
      
Gather Information    Cha    -1 =    
-1
      
Heal    Wis    7 =    
+2
   +5    
Hide    Dex*    2 =    
+2
      
Intimidate    Cha    -1 =    
-1
      
Jump    Str*    8 =    
+3
   +5    
Listen    Wis    2 =    
+2
      
Move Silently    Dex*    2 =    
+2
      
Perform_1    Cha    -1 =    
-1
      
Perform_2    Cha    -1 =    
-1
      
Perform_3    Cha    -1 =    
-1
      
Perform_4    Cha    -1 =    
-1
      
Perform_5    Cha    -1 =    
-1
      
Ride    Dex    2 =    
+2
      
Search    Int    2 =    
+2
      
Sense Motive    Wis    2 =    
+2
      
Spellcraft    Int    8 =    
+2
   +6    
Spot    Wis    2 =    
+2
      
Survival    Wis    2 =    
+2
      
Swim    Str**    3 =    
+3
      
Tumble    Dex*    5 =    
+2
   +1    +2 [jump]
Use Rope    Dex    2 =    
+2
      

* = check penalty for wearing armor

Zero-level Cleric spells: 4 per day

First-level Cleric spells: 3 (2+1) per day +1 from a domain:

Human:

    * Extra feat at first level (already included)
    * Four extra skill points at first level (already included)
    * One extra skill point at each additional level (already included)

Cleric:

    * Alignment Aura

    * Spontaneous Casting (heal)

    * Turn Undead (2x/day)

    * High wisdom gains bonus spells daily

    * Domain choices give additional abilities

Fighter:

    * Bonus Feats (already included)

   Class    HP rolled    
Level 1:    Cleric    8    
Level 2:    Fighter    10    
Level 3:    Cleric    7    

   
Arman Woyan's Equipment:

      37 lb
      2 lb
      _____
      39 lb   Weapons / Armor / Shield (from above)
      Spell component pouch

      Total

More about Arman Woyan:

I will get it up to mythweavers if it looks like it will actually be used...

[Heron TSG]

In the interests of playing with dead threads I decided to post a character, probably buy a chain shirt, +1 spiked chain, some javelins, and basic gear...

This thread isn't dead. Criptfeind is probably fighting aliens instead of coming to the forum.

[ECrownofFire]

...
*A few discrepancies I noticed - Merrian should have a BaB of 2 (ranger +1, fighter +1), Glacius should have more HP. (you start with your full HD at level one)

I'm technically only a level one (Dragonblood) sorcerer. In fact, without my two flaws, I'd have only 8 HP (hurray for Draconic Toughness), and no real offense (Draconic Breath is good for this one). This is unfortunately the only way to do this, because I have to take the 2nd and 3rd Draconic racial class levels in a row, and I'd rather take them now when I can survive the reduced HP and spells. I'll have to take the fourth sometime though, and that'll get me the Dragon type (I'll lose the humanoid type and dragonblood subtype too), which will make me immune to anything that only targets humanoids, and also make me immune to magical sleep and paralysis.

Anyway, I think this character is mostly done being developed, I have plenty of stuff. I have 3 Eternal wands that only I can use, and I should have enough damage output and defense.

Also, shouldn't Rorakar have more skill points than that? Rangers get 6+ Int mod. That should be 48 points (That's a lot ), right? You get (6+Int mod)x4 at first, for 32, and 8 at 2nd and 3rd, for 48 total. (Where are Grippli in the books anyway? I can't seem to find them.)

[RAM]

I suspect that the first post suggests that variant rules are not preferred, and the SRD seems to indicate that Flaws qualify as variant rules.

[ECrownofFire]

I suspect that the first post suggests that variant rules are not preferred, and the SRD seems to indicate that Flaws qualify as variant rules.

They are not variant rules, they are in Unearthed Arcana

Well okay, they're sort of variant, but I think that I should be fine with the right ones. I would gladly take some other flaws if Criptfiend doesn't like the ones I have. If he disallows flaws completely though, I might be screwed with my HP. I really can't survive without it. I would gladly take some kind of flaws that penalize my Strength, Dexterity, or something like that though. Just not my Constitution, Intelligence, or Charisma. I need my Intelligence to be as high as it is though, if I want to get the prestige class I want, and my Charisma is just plain necessary to being a sorcerer at all. I just need to have the bonus feats in one way or another. We just need to wait until Criptfiend gets back, then I can ask him if my flaws are okay. I'll probably have to take some different ones or something though.

Also, don't you think that being hunted down by dragons is a big enough flaw as it is?

[Iituem]

Merrian's BAB is accurate - Rog/Brd/Ftr = +0/+0/+1.  Danger of multi-classing, see?  Sadly, Fighter alone doesn't have enough skill points for my liking and we can't use the Generic Combatant rules. 

[Heron TSG]

Also, shouldn't Rorakar have more skill points than that? Rangers get 6+ Int mod. That should be 48 points (That's a lot ), right? You get (6+Int mod)x4 at first, for 32, and 8 at 2nd and 3rd, for 48 total. (Where are Grippli in the books anyway? I can't seem to find them.)

Whoops, forgot to apply them all. Grippli were originally introduced in monster manual II of AD&D. Here is a list of where they come from in every version they're in. Some more info is here, for religion, and here, for stats.

Merrian's BAB is accurate - Rog/Brd/Ftr = +0/+0/+1.  Danger of multi-classing, see?

For some reason I thought you were part ranger, not a bard. Nevermind.

I'm glad I found the list of materials that weapons can be made of and how much they cost. The only thing I can't bypass the DR of is Demons (Cold Iron is dang expensive) and things with DR/A or DR/-. As any player at this level should, I made sure that I could kill Trolls and Werewolves.

[Criptfeind]

Sorry guys, my Internet broke. I hope I can get it fixed soon. I am going to have to push this back a week at the least.

I don't have time to read your posts so sorry that I can not answer questions but I did see one on my way down... I will alow flaws and traits. (Up to two)

[ECrownofFire]

HE IS ALIVE!

Also, glad to hear about the flaws and traits

[RAM]

flaws?!? traits?!? drools...

[ECrownofFire]

I'm planning to take the Dracolexi PrC later on, and at the second PrC level, I get a bonus feat of either Eschew Materials or Still Spell. In order to train as a Dracolexi, I need either Eschew Materials or Still Spell. So, could I retrain the feat I take before it to grab something else?

Let me explain the above better. At my 3rd level, I will take either EM or SS. At my 6th level, I will get my second Dracolexi level, which will give me a bonus feat of either EM or SS, whichever one I didn't take. Can I retrain the either the original one I got at 3rd level, or the bonus one I got at 6th?

I would just like to know what your policy on retraining in general is, particularly feats. I'd like to drop Draconic Toughness eventually, once I get some real hit points.

[RAM]

Everyone's favourite feat-starved mistake of a build is now slightly less feat starved and much more of a glass cannon...
doomed to die

[ECrownofFire]

Everyone's favourite feat-starved mistake of a build is now slightly less feat starved and much more of a glass cannon...
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=235137

Did you go Cleric first or Fighter? Also, Criptfiend said we're going with max HD at level one, and average at every level after that. That would mean you would have 8+5+4-3, which leaves you with 14... How did you manage to end up with almost the same amount of hit points as me, a first level sorcerer? That's just pathetic (I do have 18 Con though, so it's not that bad, but still.) Although, if you went Fighter first, you would get 10+4+4-3, which is 15, only an improvement of 1 though.

Oh, and your link is broken.