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How important is writing to you?

I'd like to become a professional writer in the next decade.
- 7 (29.2%)
Less than videogames.
- 6 (25%)
I am a professional writer.
- 3 (12.5%)
More than my health.
- 2 (8.3%)
I'm not sure.
- 5 (20.8%)
More than videogames.
- 0 (0%)
Not at all.
- 1 (4.2%)

Total Members Voted: 24

Voting closed: April 23, 2012, 11:42:36 pm


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Supermikhail

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Re: Bay12 Writers Guild
« Reply #300 on: November 14, 2010, 11:05:39 am »

Erm... There's a long way from being interested in, and making an audiobook. I don't think I'm going to get decent enough equipment (soundcard and mike) in less than a year, but sure, I could use a guinea pig to test my narrating abilities. ;) (Err, I guess, in a year I technically won't need the full text because it will already be online) But as far as I'm concerned, my point for now is that it appears that my brain can't handle plots of novel size, so it may be easier if I either took them in chunks or trimmed them down for an 18,000 word piece... keeping in mind the audiobook format (I wonder whether there are works that are especially suited for audio adaptation, or maybe even some guidelines)... of course, to make it more appealing, I could even try audio-drama, but that would require my mastering the art of foley... And then there's the issue of female characters and a male narrator. :'(
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« Reply #301 on: November 14, 2010, 03:01:07 pm »

8) I figured as much - only had a minute to dash out a sentence to you before I had to scramble off to work.  I have other, much shorter stories in the same setting, that you could try out.

Other than that, I could direct you to a small sci fi / fantasy anthology that I assisted with. 
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« Reply #302 on: November 15, 2010, 01:43:10 am »

Meh.

What about this: Try to have the most silly/humorous story taken seriously. Cope with an exceedingly non-serious topic and make it so.

Or what about the other way around?

I very much like this idea--it reminds me of the Fool's Guild in Discworld. I'll try and come up with a good framing story during the day, and whether or not I do I'll write something tonight anyway.

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« Reply #303 on: November 15, 2010, 02:02:21 pm »

Not related to the previous discussion, but...

I’m going to tell here what I know. Only the truth, plain and unbent.

There once lived a man in Rome named Marcus Julius who was a soldier under Emperor Tiberius. In 25 AD, at the age of 23 he was assigned to Legio XII Fulminata that was stationed in Syria. In 28 AD Marcus Julius moved to Jerusalem, under the command of Pontius Pilate. And as you know, in 30 AD came to Jerusalem a man whose life and death would change the face of the Western civilization - Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus who was crucified in front of Jerusalem for his teachings about one God, omnipotent and omnipresent. Marcus Julius was one of the soldiers who stood guard around the place of crucifixion, and he was unmoved, a true son of the Empire. Pontius Pilate had special trust in him. It is maybe why three nights from then he was stationed with another trusted soldier in front of the tomb where Jesus’ body was placed. On that night their lives were changed, as angels of God came down and took the Son of God with them, all in view of the two guards. That was the truth of their eyes and they could not deny it, but they did what was their duty. The elders and Pilate were informed of the things that happened at the tomb, and the elders feared that people would beat them and Pilate ordered the soldiers to say nothing. And so Marcus Julius said nothing of what he saw that night to anyone.

For ten years Marcus Julius kept the truth inside him, while Jesus’ apostles rose around, spreading the Gospel to people. On his duty, ordered by Pilate, then by Marcellus, he went after the most audacious of Jesus’ followers with sword and fire. It is not known what exactly triggered it, but on the eleventh year Marcus broke, and became mentally ill. On his condition, and due to his good record, he was sent back to Rome, to rest and recover. Of course, the great city, with all its pleasures, couldn’t provide the relief he needed. On the contrary, observing his fellow citizens, so far from the teachings of Jesus, Marcus grew even more grim. But he did not dare to open to anyone, or legionary vows were so strong in him that no degree of pain could make him break them. His body grew weak, though, and betrayed him. One day bleeding wounds opened on his body, on his feet and hands, in the places where nails pierced Jesus’ body when He was crucified. A physician was summoned to help Marcus, and was confused by his condition. The physician dressed the wounds, but couldn’t heal them. Marcus became delirious and lay in bed for days, tended by his servants. At night, when all were asleep, he rose and, his wounds opened again, began writing in blood on a wall. His servants discovered him, in horror, lying on the floor, exhausted, next to the wall strewn with bloody words. Exhausted, but at ease, and sleeping soundly. The servants went after the physician, and he tended to Marcus, but noted the writings on the wall which reminded him of an obscure, but dangerous religion, and told the servants to scrub the writings off carefully.

For several days Marcus was calm, but then started raging. He tossed around on his bed and beat the servants. The physician ordered him tied down, and a friend called upon the help of a witch. The witch came with herbs and candles, and sung behind shut curtains. The servants waited in trepidation outside. After a few hours they heard the witch scream in fear. Rushing inside, they saw that the wounds on Marcus’ body were dripping blood on the sheets, and where the drops touched the fabric, a flame sprung. The servants tried to take Marcus out of the flame, but were burned by his blood.

The flame was then seen from the street, and people ran up to help extinguish it. However, they could do nothing, as Marcus walked around spreading fire and ash. To stop him from burning the city down, soldiers came, beat Marcus and took him with them. They put him into a stone cell, where he only could collect soot from his blood. But that didn’t stop him, and soon all the walls were covered in Christian writings. Of course, they weren’t enough to release all that collected in his soul since the night at Jesus’ tomb. A cell was not enough, a house was not enough... His anguish must have been answered by God then, because on the next night, soldiers heard a loud noise, and coming to Marcus’ cell, saw that a part of a wall had crumbled, and next to a hole there was a writing in blood - “Walls cannot hold me.”

To be continued...



Also, today I stumbled on an interesting, but quite long article by Philip Dick - "How to Build a Universe That Doesn't Fall Apart Two Days Later" There is an idea in the beginning that I like very much - it's fun when a universe falls apart. Only I'm not sure characters I create are going to be able to cope with it.

Edit, I guess: I tried recording some Chains of Loss today, and, yeah... I definitely need better equipment for that. Although I thought about the option of using a photocamera (even it gives less noise) and speaking over my cat washing herself on a sofa.
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Re: Bay12 Writers Guild
« Reply #304 on: November 15, 2010, 04:25:18 pm »

Best to know, right?  I actually tried some recording of my own a few months back (on a different topic - video games and kids - but never mind that now) only to discover that I had to either hold my webcam an inch from my mouth or be completely unheard.  Also, even if you could hear me, sound quality was too poor to understand me.

Oh, and that reminds me, while I started to work on putting up today's update (in which we meet Lydia, previously referenced!) I got sidetracked by various chores.  Back on task now!
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« Reply #305 on: November 16, 2010, 09:08:53 am »

Oh, yeah! Although, the short chapters (unchapterly short, I might say) are working to detrimental effect. After all, fiction isn't the same as forum posts, and yeah, forum posting benefits from short, preferably witty, replies, fiction writing, I don't think so. I don't get immersed in such a short update, so I don't have any deep feelings for the story or the characters, I don't get involved, so I might not come back (don't worry, I will come back, after all, I intend to profit as an audiobook narrator on your writing ;)).

By the way, I've remembered that I actually have a whole bunch of different mikes, and the one I tried might not be the best (even if the price wants to say otherwise... although to be fair, I haven't been to gentle in handling it). So, another mike sounds to me much better. But Ruglish, or Ruslish, if you prefer, is still bad. And how the hell do you pronounce "taerlae"? And for that matter, the rest of weird names. :)
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« Reply #306 on: November 19, 2010, 10:30:38 am »

I've got an idea here and would like to know whether anyone approves.

Basically, some time when I have some free time, I'd like to make a thread with a title "Hire Me" the purpose of which would not be to earn me money. It would, actually, have nothing to do with real money and be located in "Forum Games and Roleplaying", probably. Or maybe in "Creative Projects". In any case it would contain sort of a game. I'm going to compare it to "Monopoly" although I haven't played this game (well, that's the only economy game that comes to mind). It would work like this:

- there are Craftsmen and Customers.

- Customers come to the game with infinite amounts of credits that they can give to...

- Craftsmen who have limited amounts of credits and are pretty poor to start with.

- Customers give credits to Craftsmen to perform orders that they come up with freely and randomly (like in a request thread). Orders can be in several categories: Art, Music, Writing, Software, Film.

- A Craftsman has an idea and places a commission. A Craftsman who considers himself capable of executing it, picks it up. During the time of execution the Craftsman expends some amount of Credits. Once the commission is done, the Customer evaluates it, and if they are satisfied, they pay the Craftsman some credits, depending on the category.

- But if the Craftsman doesn't complete it (in time or at all) or if the Customer isn't satisfied, the Craftsman doesn't get paid.

- If the Craftsman runs out of credits, he/she can't take new orders and has to sit on a dole for some time.

I guess some more competitive incentive for Customers could be added. And on afterthought, a better name would be Executives, or something.

So, the categories. No real money involved, so no 300 page novels or 2 hour action movies. Something requiring just a bit of effort, but still some. Like a 5 000 word story, a 7 day roguelike, a 3 minute short or song. And art... well, as specified in the order, but no densely populated cityscapes, and the like.

So, just an idea. Really had to put it out here. Maybe someone else will like it and then I'll start thinking about doing it.
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« Reply #307 on: November 20, 2010, 04:21:39 pm »

My brain seems to have locked down. Can somebody tell me whether this excerpt is grammatically sound (other than the obvious sentence fragment error)?

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« Reply #308 on: November 20, 2010, 04:22:36 pm »

It's really awkwardly constructed, but it works.
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« Reply #309 on: November 20, 2010, 04:26:26 pm »

Yeah, it's pretty awkward. Any suggestions? It's been bothering me for a while.
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« Reply #310 on: November 20, 2010, 04:28:55 pm »

I think I'd need the rest of the sentence.
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« Reply #311 on: November 20, 2010, 07:16:13 pm »

Seems to be redundant. Children are by their nature still experiencing childhood. I would pick one or the other clause to go with. Probably the first because the second sounds parenthetical.

Otherwise there are a few ways you can switch the tense around in clause 2 because the two uses of the present-in-present don't quite correspond in meaning. Experiencing focuses on the progressive aspect, the action began earlier and continues past the present moment. Being focuses on the fact that as of right now childhood is being experienced. I think that's what's making it so awkward.

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I think option 2 sounds best with the preceding clause.
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« Reply #312 on: November 21, 2010, 05:49:39 am »

Thanks fqllve!  :D
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« Reply #313 on: November 21, 2010, 05:38:32 pm »

I think I'll just post here for my personal posterity.
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« Reply #314 on: November 25, 2010, 10:21:18 pm »

Oh, yeah! Although, the short chapters (unchapterly short, I might say) are working to detrimental effect. After all, fiction isn't the same as forum posts, and yeah, forum posting benefits from short, preferably witty, replies, fiction writing, I don't think so. I don't get immersed in such a short update, so I don't have any deep feelings for the story or the characters, I don't get involved, so I might not come back (don't worry, I will come back, after all, I intend to profit as an audiobook narrator on your writing ;)).

By the way, I've remembered that I actually have a whole bunch of different mikes, and the one I tried might not be the best (even if the price wants to say otherwise... although to be fair, I haven't been to gentle in handling it). So, another mike sounds to me much better. But Ruglish, or Ruslish, if you prefer, is still bad. And how the hell do you pronounce "taerlae"? And for that matter, the rest of weird names. :)

Note:  I'm very tired, due to travelling through much of the holiday today (Thanksgiving, for those not in the USA). 

Yup, I know the chapters are really quite short. 

I don't see it as a bad thing overall.  Sometimes I do want a chapter to be longer but it doesn't work, no matter what I do.  Other times I think it's good to move on to the next perspective.  I do wind up with some long chapters - mostly in the action sequences towards the end of the book. 

If I used as much description as the typical fantasy author, the book would probably triple in size.  But I don't think visually - it's one reason I didn't really consider trying to have you draw any of my characters or scenes in the drawing request thread, because I don't perceive the story in pictures.  I think in narrative, dialogue, events and characters, but darned if I can even picture what any of the things look like. 

Perhaps I'm writing more for the American attention spa-oooh, look! Squirrels!

Or maybe I just have a weird brain.

As far as pronunciation of the various names, most of them are supposed to be alien names that are just spelled very close to the way they sound, with no silent syllables.  So taerlae is "tare lay".  Sheralys is "share a lease".  Vhaes is "vays" or "vies" - either one works, it's supposed to be a particularly alien word. 

Too tired to make a full pronunciation guide tonight, sorry.  But hope this helped.
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