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How important is writing to you?

I'd like to become a professional writer in the next decade.
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Less than videogames.
- 6 (25%)
I am a professional writer.
- 3 (12.5%)
More than my health.
- 2 (8.3%)
I'm not sure.
- 5 (20.8%)
More than videogames.
- 0 (0%)
Not at all.
- 1 (4.2%)

Total Members Voted: 24

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« Reply #240 on: October 22, 2010, 02:01:24 pm »

Well, my last year's culmination was a trip to a psychologist. But about asylum - joking.

However, 3 stories is truth. And now whenever I decide that I should get to completing an outline, I'm torn between them. And the other dozen... I just hope I find a partner to collaborate with soon, or just a decent sounding board, because I'm sort of desperate.
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« Reply #241 on: October 23, 2010, 11:41:23 am »

Might want to check out YWriter - it could be the kind of outlining software you're looking for.  Maybe.

Also, if/when I have time, I might be able to allow a bounce or two. 
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« Reply #242 on: October 23, 2010, 01:49:26 pm »

Well, last time I tried running yWriter it broke my system. Linux and C#, or something.

But I've installed the Storybook, and, it's kind of hard, because I don't think of my story in scenes. But I've created a plot strand for a secondary character group that are fighting with the protagonist's group, and maybe scenes will work as one group overcoming obstacles of another, but I foresee I'm going to get bogged down in groups. Maybe I'm just not cut-out for the long genre.

Edit: Errrm, that's a stupid question. Better bounce me this one - how does a terrorist group steal a weapon prototype from a heavily guarded research facility? It's not a cornerstone of my story, but it'd be nice to know. The society is a little more advanced than ours, a little more militarized. The terrorists are pretty well-equipped, too. Does "Mission Impossible" scenario sound cheesy?
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« Reply #243 on: October 23, 2010, 02:05:39 pm »

Depends on how long they've been working on it.  And remember this: no amount of security measures can overcome a high-ranked Man on the Inside.  If they subverted someone who's already at the facility, they can get everything they need to without having to resort to 'Who's got the better toys?' kind of espionage.

Edit: More thoughts (particularly because my style of helping tends to be asking questions back at you, helping you answer it yourself).  What's the goal in stealing it - are they trying to wipe the records of it as well, setting research back to square one?  Do they want the prototype along with tech data on it?  Do they have qualms about smash-and-grab tactics, or have problems with inflicting mass casualties?  Or are they trying to make as little fuss as possible, possibly trying to get in and out without anyone knowing they were ever there?  It all changes their tactical and strategic goals, and therefore their approach.
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« Reply #244 on: October 23, 2010, 02:40:11 pm »

Oh, yeah, I just remembered that they've got a guy on the inside. Hm. That's a plot twist (and another plot strand). And they advocate the eugenics philosophy. So they really don't have qualms about casualties... Hm. The tech data. Their intention is to use the weapon against its creators, I guess I forgot that you can't just deconstruct some tech and make copies based on it. Hm. The tech data.

Well, thanks. That's some more stuff to keep in mind. :)
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« Reply #245 on: October 23, 2010, 02:55:27 pm »

Glad to help.  Anything more?
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« Reply #246 on: October 24, 2010, 04:12:29 am »

Oh. Hopefully the offer still stands. Yesterday I couldn't come up with anything, but today suddenly realized - maybe it's time to bring out my biggest plot twist, and the chokepoint that's been keeping me from advancement the most.

I've got a special-ops unit, members of which possess a special ability that makes them very efficient in fighting crime, but I'm not going to delve into specifics because it's too much physics for the current discussion. This special ability, naturally, brings about a special weakness. The unit members are chosen among autistic children. To keep them stable under stress, they are assigned a partner - for life - their island of stability.

I thought for some time about names, and decided that they need to be matching and to have a pattern among them - another psychological anchor. What first came to mind was Yin and Yang, and I even saved the hieroglyphics in the potential names file, just in case. But it doesn't provide enough of a pattern. My next idea was to take colours. Well, I sifted through the Wikipedia colours article for matching (opposing) colours which sound relatively nice. To get to the chase. Now I can't choose the pairs that don't give the colour nature away too easily, but don't sidetrack the reader, like the couple "Copper - Steel blue", and "Alice - Turk" which are contractions for "Alizarin - Turquoise" and don't have a slightest hint at colours.
I'm providing my colours list below
Code: [Select]
- [Teal - Amber] ;
? [Yin♀ - Yang♂] ; [阴 - 阳 (simplified)] ; [陰 - 陽 (traditional)]
 - [Ao - Electric Yellow] ;
? [Alizarin - Turquoise] ; [Alice - Turk]
? [Auburn -  Sky/Baby/Cornflower Blue] ;
 [Aureolin - Blue] ;
 [Orange - Azure] ;
- [Red - Cyan] ;
- [Green - Magenta] ;
- [Blue - Yellow] ;
 [Cardinal - Aquamarine] ;
 [Carmine - Aquamarine] ;
 [Carnelian - Aqua/Turquoise/Cyan] ;
 [Cerise - Aquamarine] ;
? [Jade♂ - Rose♀] ;
? [Copper♀ - Han blue♂] ;
? [Dodger blue♂ - Amber/Flame/Persimmon♀] ;
? [Jasper♂ - Turquoise♀] ;
- [Myrtle - Lavender] ;
 [Olive - Light iris] ;
 [Redwood - Dark cyan] ;
 [Ruby - Emerald/Medium aquamarine] ;
 [Russet - Pastel blue] ;
? [Saffron♀ - Ultramarine/Ao/Blue♂] ;
- [Steel blue - Copper] ;
? [Tangelo♂ - Capri♀] ;
 [Tenné - Cyan] ;
- [Thistle - Myrtle] ;
- [Thulian - Jade] ;
- [Violet - Lime] ;
Together with my other thoughts. "-" means, I didn't like it at all, "?" means, under doubt. "♀" means, probably female name, ♂ - probably male.

So my question, besides "Would you help me choose?", is, should I bother? Will this be interesting to the reader? Do I make sense?
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« Reply #247 on: October 24, 2010, 11:28:15 am »

Hrm.  It might be nifty for codenames, but I don't think you should sink too much time into it.  Readers may not even realize what's going on, and although they may find it nifty it sounds like you're putting in too much effort for too little payoff.  In fact, if just you want a simple link, you may just wish to give 'paired' characters names that start with the same letter.

There's a practical reason why linked names might come up in story.  If bad guys capture Yin, Yang, Carmine, Cornflower, and Bob, they know to threaten Yin to get Yang to cooperate.  That could be either an in-character reason why not to do it, or an out-of-character reason TO do it, to have a scene like that.
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« Reply #248 on: October 24, 2010, 11:57:45 am »

This thing is so hard. :( You know, they're autistic, there has to be a pattern. But then, this thing with what if bad guys capture them (thanks, by the way). There is no Yin and Yang, only flowers, but it's still only like an adventure game puzzle. However, it's hard to do away with colours, because one part of the premise is based on colours, namely, black and white, and in the course of the story the protagonist who is one of the colour-coded agents, changes her colour. And I'm so far into this, that same letter characters don't fit in, although it feels that it would be an easier way for the whole agency because they have to address these agents in couples anyway.

If that's confusing, maybe you can help me with another, pretty mind-boggling thing - what would be the characteristic traits of the modern society, if the world only had a handful of countries, and the main enemies were inside, such as a huge terrorist network, whose agenda, pretty similar to a religion, is that humanity is to strive for a perfect human through the use of eugenics, euthanasia, other funny words, and that special unit is a blight on the face of the Earth to them. There is pretty much a constant secret civil war. Can you think of any traits of the people in this society, how it radically differs from ours? For some reason, before I started thinking about it seriously, I wanted them to have hovercars, but that kind of doesn't make sense.
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« Reply #249 on: October 24, 2010, 01:38:12 pm »

Hrm.  Fewer, larger countries implies stronger governments, but most likely a lot of bureaucracy - unless there's multiple branches of government trying to underbid each other on the same tasks.  It's the only theoretical solution I can come up with for a large government to avoid ludicrous growth. 

So let's start with the obvious governmental questions - dictatorship or democracy?  Free-market capitalist, regulated capitalist, socialist, or communist economy?  If there's a huge terrorist group, I'm leaning towards a democracy with a free-market capitalist economy, as it allows the villains more ability to equip themselves and forces the government to be very careful in how it deals with its foes.

They're a bit more advanced than us, so medical tech in particular is probably very good, with the ability to replace missing limbs easily.  Basic cybernetics are also possible, maybe even to the degree that people get specific cybernetics to help them with their jobs (augmented vision, extended or durable limbs, mental control over vehicles, etc).

The question arises of how they manage to keep this civil war a secret - and who benefits from keeping it secret, anyway?  That's a ton of effort, increasing exponentially with each casualty on either side.  The villains won't want it secret because it's how they recruit - by presenting themselves as winning, and their enemies as subhuman failures.  The government won't want it entirely secret because it makes good propaganda.  The *scope* of the war might be kept secret, as may the existence or details of the special unit, but the existence of the war, especially in the information age, when every person has a cell phone that's also a camera, there's little you can do.

As for hovercars, imagine if environmentalists gained power to the point that the roads were torn up to allow nature to take over, after hovercars that can pass over nearly anything a meter or two up without leaving tracks became popular.  I don't know how they would function in a scientific sense, but there's a reason why people would prefer them - and how they'd be very useful to a terrorist organization that could lose pursuit in forested areas without leaving tracks behind. 
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« Reply #250 on: October 24, 2010, 02:32:38 pm »

My problem with hovercars is that I don't want to draw much attention to future-tech. The story isn't about tech, that is, totally not about tech. It's much more about people, so why make it so futuristic. It's not a dystopia, nor a utopia, and writers usually employ hovercars in one of those cases. In my experience.

Anyway, I guess I'm going to let you in on one more critical plot twist. What keeps this "secret" war going (by the way, by secret I meant that it doesn't go on in open fights, but through sabotage, raids, all that deal), is pretty much a single person, a double-faced official, who plays an important part in the governments on the both sides of the conflict. Important, as in practically important, doing stuff, not formally, as a top-of-the-ladder in hierarchy. Do you think that's enough to make his going without suspicion realistic? Or, I guess, I could put in a couple of cases where he, in the past, had to eliminate a suspicious person.

Ah, I'm probably going to end up with a precarious balance. I've got very vague idea of how advanced I want tech to be. On one hand, I know that in that Universe the Large Hadron Collider was successful. But they haven't realized its full potential yet. The special weapon that the special unit uses works on elementary particles, but the deep mechanics of its workings are still a subject of much speculation. How far is that advanced?
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« Reply #251 on: October 24, 2010, 03:18:28 pm »

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« Reply #252 on: October 24, 2010, 03:45:38 pm »

Science fiction is supposed to be about people and how tech changes the way they live.  You've probably seen a bit of that in my writing (ha!) and it's the way things are supposed to be.  So yes, if hovercars distract from what you're trying to say, by all means, scrap 'em. 

A double agent, high up in the hierarchy, probably in a bureaucratically important position (like the Prime Minister's secretary, as in scheduler, not Secretary of X).  That plays well into things - also, your clarification on what 'secret' means makes a TON more sense than what I was interpreting it as before. 

So your high-tech weapon is along the lines of a string disruptor.  The question is then, why that in particular?  Does high-tech armor exist that even a gauss weapon can't penetrate?  Are lasers just not good enough?  What makes the expense of researching and developing (and stealing!) this weapon worthwhile?

Time to head off to work, so I won't be seeing your response for a bit...
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« Reply #253 on: October 25, 2010, 12:30:20 pm »

@Little: Uhm. So, how many people were there? I made out only two distinct - a nerd and a dick... And I guess this idea never works other than a gag. Really confusing. I'm half tempted to drop outlining and foruming to do this prompt myself in hope that I'm a messiah of untagged dialogue... Anyway, I got really interested in your creative process while you were doing this prompt, if you could share.

@Talanic: That's a nice thing about different timezones - when a person in the US goes to work, you go to bed, and vice versa. And no one is inconvenienced.

Anyway, that's a good one. I forgot completely about what was the purpose of stealing the prototype - it's the ultimate defense against the special ops' weapons. I guess the weapons couldn't have been developed just because they could. I'm probably going to put in some mildly distracting tech, I imagine nanosuits... Hmmm... I'm having real trouble thinking of something that would require weapons able to cut through any material (yeah, let's just call them swords) to fight. And I'm having trouble imagining these swords developed quite purposely. As I said, the mechanics of their work aren't understood completely, so some serendipity had to be involved... Hmmm... That's a loose end.

Or am I asking wrong questions here?

By the way, eagerly awaiting Chapter 13, by the way. Oooh, ominous number. :o
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« Reply #254 on: October 25, 2010, 05:34:57 pm »

How about a dimensional displacement device?

Idea: LHC leads to an unexpected breakthrough in dimensional physics that allows mundane projectiles and attacks to be shunted away into another dimension (possibly a finite space, from which they can be extracted later).  Only an attack that doesn't actually exist (you get what I mean - like a weaponized rift) can actually bypass the device and score a hit.

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