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Isometrical/fire emblem tactics games
« on: August 10, 2010, 03:01:39 pm »

I love these little things, IE games similar to Final Fantasy Tactics and Tactics ogre. Basicaly a game were you build yourself a team of characters of different classes to confront other teams on an isometric environment. Fire Emblem/advance wars style games are also of my liking. Unfortunely these kind of games seem rather rare today  :(

I've tried some nice online games that fit this description, like the french flash based MMO's Dofus and Wakfu, and Dofus arena aswell, if thats not dead by now.

Anyone know of any good games that follow this style? Online games get bonus points.
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Re: Isometrical/fire emblem tactics games
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2010, 03:06:47 pm »

If I recall correctly, Shining Force is a series that follows a similar format, if I recall correctly. It started on the early Sega systems; Genesis, I believe. It seemed pretty fun, and I think all the characters you control had background stories to them too.

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Right, forgot, they were 2D. But still fit the request somewhat game-wise.
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Re: Isometrical/fire emblem tactics games
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2010, 03:09:35 pm »

SF and SF2 aren't isometric, they're 2D. They're still fantastic though; great animations and character art.

Try Vandal Hearts and Vandal Heart 2 (PS1) for some more iso goodness. Also isn't Disagea (sp?) also isometric?
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Re: Isometrical/fire emblem tactics games
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2010, 03:24:00 pm »

Front Mission! They are epic.
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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2010, 03:25:21 pm »

Vandal hearts 1 and 2 are sweet. Just reminded me I never truly finished the 2nd one, thanks :D

Disgaea was good, but it got very, very repetitive after some time. Still an awesome game, makes me miss my PS2.
And somehow I failed to like front mission, I'll probably try again.

Keep 'em comming.
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Re: Isometrical/fire emblem tactics games
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2010, 03:44:09 pm »

On that note, while it's not a FFT-like game, Vagrant Story is an amazing isometric RPG. I simply cannot recommend it enough.
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Re: Isometrical/fire emblem tactics games
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2010, 03:47:35 pm »

Oh my, that brings back memories, another PSX gem that was never forgotten, at least not by its fans, since apparently square threw it under lead bin and forgot about its existence.

Ahhhh I'll have to get my emulator running again, fuck.
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Re: Isometrical/fire emblem tactics games
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2010, 03:52:54 pm »

I wake up sometimes thinking they made a Vagrant Story 2. Then when I fully come to, I cry myself back to sleep when I realize it was a dream.
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2010, 04:03:14 pm »

This probably doesn't fit entirely within the tactical isometric genre, but I just wanted to give a plug for the original Ogre Battle which is one of my favorite all time games.

Ogre Battle sits somewhere between a tactical RPG and a real-time strategy.  Basically you're able to roll up a leader character in the beginning and then you're given a small group of 5 units.  As you conquer world locations, you're able to recruit more and more units to build your army with.

Now the really cool thing about Ogre Battle is that it is actually quite easy to win the whole thing.  Evil units like ghosts, demons, werewolves, black dragons and skeletons are the most powerful types in the game and they are also about the easiest to recruit.  The catch is that, if you go the easy, "evil" route you will receive the worst of the 12 different endings in the game, and will also be unable to recruit the coolest secret units in the game.

For example, to win over the 4 high generals of the opposing army (which are very powerful and awesome), you must play the game in a very middle-of-the road, neutral manner.  To get the 3 secret holy knights of the game (which are very very powerful), you have to play extremely good.  There are many more easter eggs like this that can only be found if you play the game in a "good" way.

So the catch-22 is that to play the game as a "benevolent" leader, you have to purposefully bring out some of the weaker units to battle.  Simply slaughtering the enemy with your powerful evil monsters will bring your reputation down and lose you the support of the people.

I've heard that Ogre Battle 64 is considered better by some people, but I disliked how slow the game got started in it and it feels far more "JPRGish" compared to the original.  The original Ogre Battle has more of a western flair to it and gets you right into battle in the beginning.
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Re: Isometrical/fire emblem tactics games
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2010, 04:09:25 pm »

I enjoyed the Dynasty Warriors: Tactics game a good bit.
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Re: Isometrical/fire emblem tactics games
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2010, 04:15:41 pm »

On the note of Ogre Battle, there was also the Tactics: Ogre series, which were based on the Ogre Battle games of yore, but in the style of Final Fantasy Tactics. It's a pretty solid tactical games, with a lot of chances to make very customizable characters, and without class-based equipment limitations. You can arm your clerics with swords, but it may limit their healing potency. If you're tired of heavily-armored knights slowly plodding across the battlefield, you can train him as a sage, so he can learn to teleport. With enough leverage, you can also persuade many of your enemies to join your cause, rather than killing them, and the story branches into multiple endings depending on how you play the game.
(EDIT: I didn't notice you mention it in your first post, but I'll leave it here for others.)

Another good, but slightly more obscure one: Vantage Master. You play a summoner of one of 40 odd classes, and summon an army to fight with an opponent in a series of duels. You also have access to tactical magic that can alter the battlefield, raising or lowering the water level, etc. Apparently it was an arcade title at first, but you can download it for Free for your computer, and it has online multiplayer as well.
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Re: Isometrical/fire emblem tactics games
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2010, 04:17:52 pm »

I didn't mention OB because it's 2d with simulated fight terrain. So it's not quite on a 1:1 with iso strategy games. It doesn't even have a grid system or positioning.

Still a great game though. I never could finish it, just too damn long. And once you have Princesses + Liche, it's game over for the other side.
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Re: Isometrical/fire emblem tactics games
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2010, 04:18:50 pm »

Vandal Hearts is a classic.
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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2010, 04:24:18 pm »

Just realized it, but the Ogre Battle series reference the band Queen. Repeatedly.

Bad ass.
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Re: Isometrical/fire emblem tactics games
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2010, 05:06:46 pm »

There's tactics orge for gba, which I found incredible, and there's another for the snes, which looks even better. The snes version is in japanese, but they have a patch for it here. Looks way better than the gba version, but I haven't played it for long enough to really tell. And yes, it's isometric, like those final fantasy games. Here's a screenie.
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