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[Cobbler89]

Tried vs_2_x, vs_3_0, even a couple weirder-looking ones from the list of available shader models in the log -- vs_2_a, ps_2_0... no luck (although some might have caused other errors along the way before the one that they all spit out in a popup and then quit after).

Oh well; I'll see if the next version has the same issue, and if it does I'll make a note to make sure future graphics cards (either upgrading this laptop or getting another computer) and their drivers are backwards-compatible with DirectX 9 shader model 2.0.

Thanks for helping me narrow the issue down! Good luck with wrapping up the project, too!

[thewonderidiot]

Just dropped in too see whether this would be compatible with 3.40 any time soon but holy cow, the new stuff your working on looks amazing  kudos to you, hope all goes swimmingly.

Hey thanks! Things are going pretty well and I should have something cooked up pretty soon.

Does this work with the new DF? :O

Not yet, I've still got a couple of features left to implement, and even if I were ready to release I'd have to wait for DFHack to be ready for the new version (and it's making progress!)

Tried vs_2_x, vs_3_0, even a couple weirder-looking ones from the list of available shader models in the log -- vs_2_a, ps_2_0... no luck (although some might have caused other errors along the way before the one that they all spit out in a popup and then quit after).

Oh well; I'll see if the next version has the same issue, and if it does I'll make a note to make sure future graphics cards (either upgrading this laptop or getting another computer) and their drivers are backwards-compatible with DirectX 9 shader model 2.0.

Thanks for helping me narrow the issue down! Good luck with wrapping up the project, too!

Yeah, sorry I couldn't help. I can however tell you that even if this current issue persists with the new version, there's a decent chance you'll be able to run it anyways. This issue is purely related to HLSL, and since we're being fully OpenGL-compatible this time, you'll have the option of running in OpenGL and using GLSL shaders instead. That will definitely make this problem go away (and hopefully not introduce any new ones.)

[dyllionaire]

Keep up the great work! It's looking great. Excited for the new version 

[Alehkhs]

Really looking forward to seeing some renders of the new cities!

[Talvieno]

Probably my favorite utility - keep up the awesome work, looking fowards to the next release!

[Crossroads Inc.]

As some with a Mac, and thus most likely never able to access this...
Any chance I could ask for some screen shots of some of my completed Mega Progects using this?
I have a couple of Massive cities and forts completed.

[Graebeard]

Once this is released you're welcome to upload your forts to DFFD and pm me with a link or post them here.  I'm happy to take screenies, particularly if you tell me about any features you'd like to see rendered.  Fair warning: it might take a few days for me to get to it depending on my workload.

[thewonderidiot]

Keep up the great work! It's looking great. Excited for the new version 

Probably my favorite utility - keep up the awesome work, looking fowards to the next release!

Thanks guys! 

As some with a Mac, and thus most likely never able to access this...
Any chance I could ask for some screen shots of some of my completed Mega Progects using this?
I have a couple of Massive cities and forts completed.

Well, there's a very slight chance (not making any promises though) that Overseer itself will be able to run on Macs now that it's not linking against dfhack, but even then you'd still need to export your maps from a windows or linux machine. I can also render things for you if you upload saves to DFFD.

Really looking forward to seeing some renders of the new cities!

Just now got DFHack working with 0.34.02 on my machine, and here are the resulting screenshots:

A town!


A keep!


These shots are with the texture atlas and the underlying colors active. We're getting pretty close! Still needs a bit of work in a few areas but we're approaching the stage where I'd be comfortable releasing what I have. The shader is pretty clobbered together, so expect the colors and lighting to be better when we release.

Other than the texturing/shader fixes, all I have left to do is reintroduction of trees and the sky. I'll also take a bit to add a basic settings file to match what configurability we had in previous releases, as a stepping stone toward the full configurability that I'm aiming to achieve down the line.

[MaximumZero]

...whoa.

[Scarpa]

Wow... Very, very impressive. I love the way wall openings look with the new rendering.

Great work!

[Talvieno]

Whoa, yeah! That's looking incredible. A question, though - how does it handle water? Does it do it the same way as before, or has it been changed?

[ashton1993]

Yar, it really is coming along nicely...

[Intrinsic]

Shiny!

[Cobbler89]

Shiny!

Build an Alliance Cruiser in DF using obsidian and olivine (I think olivine's the green stone, do I have that right? none of my forts get much of it) and/or green glass, whichever seems to be the right level of light/darkness (maybe some spots would be one and some the other), and then get pics in Overseer! Or let me do it, but I won't get around to it for quite a while. Maybe I'll put it on the megaprojects wiki page if they've got one for the new namespace.

On an unrelated note, maybe it's the particular woody-lookin' but brick-patterned texture combined with curved corners and nicely smoothed image/shape edges, but the fort looks somehow less real in those shots than in the earlier, sharp-edged ones. We'll be able to adjust the roundness or even adjust it for different type of materials or the difference between dug out walls and constructed walls eventually, right? (Actually, I think that there might be the key difference: dug out walls/floors should be rounder/smoother than constructed ones, which should seem, well, constructed, I'd expect.) Well hey, even if we aren't (or not anytime soon) this is incredible on the whole -- it's subtle, but I think it does seem better graphically speaking than the previous shots, and it sounds like it's become a lot more potentially portable and scaleable/extendible/customizable than it had been, or at least has a framework for being so. Very much looking forward to trying the new version. 8^)

I'm tempted to ask randomly about lighting settings such as day and night, how light gets into dug out areas, torches/lanterns/lamps given that the game doesn't let you place such things (yet) and given that it has natural caverns they wouldn't be present in, etc. But that's probably because I've forgotten what I've heard on the topic earlier in the thread. And the truth is it'll probably be obvious and/or come back to me what Overseer does and doesn't do in terms of lighting once I try it. So nevermind. XD

[thewonderidiot]

Glad you guys are liking it! SexyMustard and I are looking to have a release out very soon -- hopefully by sometime next week.

Whoa, yeah! That's looking incredible. A question, though - how does it handle water? Does it do it the same way as before, or has it been changed?

It's changed a lot. Unfortunately, water is probably what's suffered the most in this version. The old approach was pretty bad, though -- always calculating every reflection/refraction map and hanging the program while it happened. And not to mention floating planes of water....

Right now water is just stored in the voxels like anything else, properly respecting water levels from 0 to 7. So it'll be more shapely and less weird for this version. PolyVox doesn't support voxel transparency though, so it'll be a solid water texture (no transparency) that will be drawn just like all the other geometry. Once we get the custom extractor rolling, that will change and we'll be able to start going back to the previous approach but in a better way.

Shiny!

Build an Alliance Cruiser in DF using obsidian and olivine (I think olivine's the green stone, do I have that right? none of my forts get much of it) and/or green glass, whichever seems to be the right level of light/darkness (maybe some spots would be one and some the other), and then get pics in Overseer! Or let me do it, but I won't get around to it for quite a while. Maybe I'll put it on the megaprojects wiki page if they've got one for the new namespace.

On an unrelated note, maybe it's the particular woody-lookin' but brick-patterned texture combined with curved corners and nicely smoothed image/shape edges, but the fort looks somehow less real in those shots than in the earlier, sharp-edged ones. We'll be able to adjust the roundness or even adjust it for different type of materials or the difference between dug out walls and constructed walls eventually, right? (Actually, I think that there might be the key difference: dug out walls/floors should be rounder/smoother than constructed ones, which should seem, well, constructed, I'd expect.) Well hey, even if we aren't (or not anytime soon) this is incredible on the whole -- it's subtle, but I think it does seem better graphically speaking than the previous shots, and it sounds like it's become a lot more potentially portable and scaleable/extendible/customizable than it had been, or at least has a framework for being so. Very much looking forward to trying the new version. 8^)

I'm tempted to ask randomly about lighting settings such as day and night, how light gets into dug out areas, torches/lanterns/lamps given that the game doesn't let you place such things (yet) and given that it has natural caverns they wouldn't be present in, etc. But that's probably because I've forgotten what I've heard on the topic earlier in the thread. And the truth is it'll probably be obvious and/or come back to me what Overseer does and doesn't do in terms of lighting once I try it. So nevermind. XD

Yup, I agree. Marching Cubes, unfortunately, doesn't let you choose between soft edges and hard edges, so if anything gets smoothed, EVERYTHING gets smoothed. There's another, newer extraction method for voxel data called "dual contouring", which PolyVox doens't yet support. The current plan is to begin implementing a dual contouring extractor shortly after the next release or two of Overseer.

Lighting for the moment is just directional light (from the sun) that isn't blocked by anything, so the caverns aren't pitch black. It's a very simplistic model that needs revisiting in the future -- once I figure out how I want to handle it. If you have any suggestions, fire away!