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[kokoszken]

So, my soldier-dwarfs are able to equip several parts of armor/clothes/leather at the same time.

Does having mail shirt, breastplate, leather armor, robe, vest and cloack + 3 pairs of shoes and 3 pairs of trousers differs somehow from having 1 piece of each ?

I'm asking mainly because quite often my soldiers - especially those on duty - are picking up newly produced equipment just to get one extra sock or mitten (even though they already have iron gauntlets and gloves).

[thijser]

Yes every addition layer of armor makes them stronger. However "real" armor is more effective in compersison to the "space" it takes on a dwarf. Any dwarf can only cary a certain amout of armor so these shoes take in place that could have been taken by for example a steel breastplate.

[dennislp3]

Yes every addition layer of armor makes them stronger. However "real" armor is more effective in compersison to the "space" it takes on a dwarf. Any dwarf can only cary a certain amout of armor so these shoes take in place that could have been taken by for example a steel breastplate.

I believe that the pieces of armor and how many layers can be put on are specific to location so things like shoes wont affect how many gloves you have on....shoes affect the lower leg (shoes, low boots, and high boots only)

here is the specific description from the wiki...perhaps scan the armor section some to understand it better

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Size, Permit, and layering armor

The Size and Permit values govern how much clothing or armor can be worn.

Under the old system the lowest "permit" value for any given body part is used: for instance, if a dwarf is wearing a dress (permit value: 50) and a total of 50 or more size worth of clothing on the upper body, it cannot put any more clothing on the upper body. (This explains why the old dungeon masters tend to wear several cloaks: they arrive at the fortress wearing only a cloak on the upper body (permit 150), and can put on a total of 10 of them, at 15 size each.)

Unfortunately, [LAYER:COVER] items are the only items playing by the old rules. This much is certain from testing in arena mode.

        * If the item to be add is a [LAYER:COVER] item, add the total item size on the body part, if this sum is less than or equal to the item's permit value then evaluate as true.
        * If a [LAYER:ARMOR] item is present or to be added and if the sum of the non [LAYER:COVER] items would be less than the sum of the [LAYER:ARMOR] size+permit values then evaluate as true.
        * If one or more items of the same non-[LAYER:COVER] layer as the one being added are present and if the sum of their size values is less than the smallest permit value then evaluate as true.
        * If the sum of the size values for all items on the body part are less than or equal to the permit value of the item about to be added then evaluate as true.

The item is allowed if all rules either evaluate to true or are not applicable. This is in addition to the rule allowing only one shaped item on a given body part at a time.

Example: A helm(30 size,20 permit) means you can put on a mask(20,10) or two caps(10,20), but only two head veils(10,100). Any of these configurations can fit 6 additional hoods if desired.

Example: Wearing a cap(10,20) allows only one face veil(10,100), because they are both [LAYER:UNDER], but an additional combined total of up to 9 head veils and hoods is possible.

Note that the armor value of socks and other clothing is unknown under the new system - however, wearing them under "armor" such as boots is recommended for an adventurer.


Adventurer mode follows the arena rules so it is possible to have three chain mail shirts(15,50), a breastplate(20,50), and 25 capes(10,300) on ones upper body plus two caps(or one mask), a helm, and six hoods on ones head. Confirmation is needed to see if fortress mode follows the old rules or the new arena rules.

Source: http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Armor#Size.2C_Permit.2C_and_layering_armor#ixzz0vwHaLB9i

[Heavenfall]

Be that as it may, I still have major problems equipping multiple pieces of armor of the same type on dwarves. For example, my dwarves CAN wear more than one mailshirt, but doing so seems to make them very prone to switching one of them out for anything in the bins. Like permanentally switching it out.

[dennislp3]

Yeah thats why I keep it simple....that whole thing feels like a bug/exploit type thing....just one of everything for me...I don't even put mail under plate (even though that is realistic and something that was done) simply to avoid bugs

[Heavenfall]

One shirt and one breastplate gives me no problems. Breastplate covers less, anyway.

[dennislp3]

yes....mails shirts cover the upper arm as well as chest....plates just chest

[breadbocks]

Wiki says that this:

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1 x breastplate
3 x mail shirts
6 x cloaks

2 x gauntlets
2 x mittens

1 x trousers
1 x greaves

2 x caps
1 x helm
6 x hood

2 x socks
2 x high boots



Source: http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Armor#Some_more_workaround_about_Size.2C_Permit_and_Layering#ixzz0vwj3Aosj

Is the most armor points possible on 1 dwarf. Bugs say otherwise, though.

[dennislp3]

Is the most armor points possible on 1 dwarf. Bugs say otherwise, though.

and thats why I don't fiddle with it to much...id rather spend time on my fort and making it better than playing with bugs to make them (hopefully) work in my favor >.>

[kokoszken]

Goddamnt, my squads can't even defend one burrow for a month, they constantly go to "Pickup Equipment", every single time.

What should I do? Only one armor per body part?

[Heavenfall]

Yeah, except "chest" ("armor" on military screen) which can have a shirt and a breastplate.

[intently]

Does it matter if "breastplate" or "mail shirt" is higher on the uniform list?  Or will they figure it out on their own?

[Akura]

I always go with mail shirt, breastplate, cap, helm, gauntlets, greaves, boots, shield. Haven't seen any problems with that.

[Heavenfall]

Does it matter if "breastplate" or "mail shirt" is higher on the uniform list?  Or will they figure it out on their own?

I don't think it matters, but I always take breastplate "before". It might have no bearing whatsoever, it's just a habit.

[Kravick]

Since we're on the topic of armor in this thread I thought I'd as an armor related question.

How do bone and wooden bolts work in this new armor system?  Since the weapon needs to be one metal tier higher than the armor its hitting to penetrate does this mean wooden/bone arrows are all but useless for anything but hunting or do they still have a use for shooting at goblins with?