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[plstcflsh]

another thought i had in reply to the upcoing guilds & sects additions. my limitless apologies if this has already been harked on a million times.

imagine if word spread through the DF world via documents and scriptures. these documents could affect gameplay, and be attached to various 'ideology' RAWs, hopefully in a way to add more dynamics than tantrum spirals and noble mandates.

a dwarf could make an artifact document, a manifesto for a new guild/sect. this guild/sect would favor a certain ideolgy, maybe one that is a minority in the fort at the time. but the existence of an artifact could give the guild/sect credibility and increase popularity/membership.

altho at the end of the day i dont see this much more than opening "tech trees" and "social trees." but it might be an interesting and effective way of quantizing ideologies, to track their inception, spread, and decline; based on how many dwarfs or other creatures adopt said ideologies.

again, my apologies if this horse has been beaten to death

[Eugenitor]

This would actually require a new workshop branch. Dwarves don't have paper.

[NW_Kohaku]

Paper and books and libraries and putting records or technologies or the ability to get skills from the books or whatever have all been pretty much talked to death for years now, yes. (It's in the wiki article as one of the most heavily suggested topics.)

You can use the search function in the top right of the screen to search for topics, so if you're worried that something has been suggested before, you can search for it, and see.

[plstcflsh]

indeed i searched, i was going to bump an old topic but it told me it was older than 120 and to start anew

[plstcflsh]

i'm most interested in them as vessels for ideology.

[NW_Kohaku]

There's nothing wrong with ressurecting a suggestion thread if you want to add to it.  That warning is just for conversational threads.

Anyway, you'd have to specify what an ideology would be in game terms to say you'd want books to contain ideologies.

As for "tech trees", keep in mind that technology upgrades are very ill suited for a simulation of medieval life.

[Aspgren]

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I like the idea of ledgers.

Paper is valuable and, while I'm sure not alot of you would agree, keeping a safe with valuable documents that impact gameplay would be nice.
 With "impact gameplay" I mean like this:

 Ledgers are expensive and you need one to keep detailed stocks. The best ledgers can only be bought from elves.
 Ledgers can be damaged by fire, liquid covering, being thrown by a tantrumer, struck by a weapon in combat or be damaged when a tantrumer destroys the table it's currently on.
 When the ledger is damaged the stock count goes back to zero, causing the organizer bad thoughts but experience gain as he has to do it all over again. (exploit get)
 Ledgers should be a valuable target for kobolds, as it contains all the information about your fort; which gives the kobolds some kind of bonus when trying to steal from you. Like enhanced speed, trapavoid or something along those lines. (this assumes that the ledger contains stockpile and trap information - hell. a whole map of the fortress! they keep track of every single stone you use anyway so why not)
 Losing a ledger to kobolds or having it destroyed should cause a very bad thought for the organizer.
 An option to see where the dwarf should keep the ledger would also be nice. There are settings for the organizer anyway so why not add "keep in room/on self/office" with office being the default... a ledger that a dwarf is holding should magically be immune to water covering IMO.

 as for other types of books .. they could work in a similar way, though I don't know about the actual gameplay part. mostly it could be some document that the guild representatives or priests etcetera store or carry that has little effect on your fortress, only an effect on the happiness of the dwarves if it is lost or destroyed. keeping books as entertainment would also be cool; hook it up to legends and you have stories to read right there.
 "This is 'the accident of oars' the book. It is a chronicle of 'the abysmal siege' the war that was waged between the year 340-345." and then it just shows the story from legends right there, being able to browse it in fortress mode ... though I'm fairly certain that would cause alot of problems, seeing that legends takes quite a while to load up. This last part is just a very unneccessery detail.

edit: whoops. just noticed the whole "talked to death" thing.
well. nevermind then

[plstcflsh]

i hadn't read those points, this would function identically.

in addition to being cool loot, they could teach skill in the fort, either directly in modifying skill stats; they modify the function of different guild/sect types. and perhaps those could be arranged in a tech tree type, 'this guild before that' sort of thing.