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Misterstone

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Elite Adamantine archers
« on: August 04, 2010, 12:13:30 pm »

I was wondering; I have a fair amount of adamantine cloth (I like to strip away the outside bits of A that you know cannot unseal the pipe) and I thought it might be cool to turn it all into clothing so that I can fashion a squad of "elite" archers. 

The idea is that if they all have A robes, etc. and masks or helmets that cover almost all of their body, they'd be nigh invincible against goblin archers, but could return fire with much greater lethality.  Presumably A clothing is light, I am pretty sure robes and/or dresses cover a large body area including both upper and lower body, and it would definitely stop arrows from penetrating the target.  However, I imagine that bolts would still power through the cloth and do crushing damage since bolts travel with enough velocity to bruise one lethally even under impenetrable armor (I tested iron bolt vs. steel chain etc. in the arena, and this is what happened.  However, I cannot make adamantine robes in the arena to test them, sadly).  Would perhaps wearing leather armor under the robes absorb the crushing blow of the bolts?

So assuming I 1) want to outfit them with bolt-proof armor but use as little A per unit as possible, 2) want them to have a light burden so they can move quickly, and 3) cover as much of their body parts as possible (including face, throat, etc.) would robes and some kind of headgear be the most efficient way to do this? Is this even a worthwhile use for adamantine?
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Re: Elite Adamantine archers
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2010, 08:22:33 pm »

Bear in mind that adamantine clothes wear away when dwarves wear them, just like normal clothing.
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Re: Elite Adamantine archers
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2010, 08:34:42 pm »

Adamantine armor is also very light and because these are crossbowdwarves we're talking about here (not bowmen) there is no penalty for wearing armor (even heavy stuff). The only trade-off is Shield or Extra Stack o' Ammo
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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2010, 10:36:40 pm »

Yeah, I guess plate is the best way to do it, and maybe full helm.  However this would use up tons of the vitamin-A because a single breastplate requires 9 wafers (= 9 processed ores) and a great helm probably uses a lot too.  And if you want arm or leg protection, that's even more ore.

After arena tests, I am pretty sure that it would not be a good idea (even discounting the fact that the cloth wears out).  I gave two dwarves adamantium chain, helmets and masks and had them shoot each other with iron crossbow bolts (they were both fairly skilled archers/marksdwarves).  The bolts did not penetrate the armor, but they delivered enough force to cause terrible bruises and break bones through the chain.  I think this is somewhat realistic and take this as a sign that the damage system is working pretty well, although I think chain mail should in fact dissipate force a bit better than that... this seems more like they are getting shot with .50 cal rounds or something, not crossbow bolts.

So if adamantine chain doesn't cut it, I am sure cloth would have the same problems.

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Re: Elite Adamantine archers
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2010, 10:45:41 pm »

I know greaves still require two bars, but I'm not sure about breastplates.
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Re: Elite Adamantine archers
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2010, 01:50:16 am »

IIRC there's a bug where all armor costs 1 bar no matter what.

I know I was making steel breastplates out of 1 steel bar.
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Re: Elite Adamantine archers
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2010, 03:14:21 am »

Yeah, I guess plate is the best way to do it, and maybe full helm.  However this would use up tons of the vitamin-A because a single breastplate requires 9 wafers (= 9 processed ores) and a great helm probably uses a lot too.  And if you want arm or leg protection, that's even more ore.

After arena tests, I am pretty sure that it would not be a good idea (even discounting the fact that the cloth wears out).  I gave two dwarves adamantium chain, helmets and masks and had them shoot each other with iron crossbow bolts (they were both fairly skilled archers/marksdwarves).  The bolts did not penetrate the armor, but they delivered enough force to cause terrible bruises and break bones through the chain.  I think this is somewhat realistic and take this as a sign that the damage system is working pretty well, although I think chain mail should in fact dissipate force a bit better than that... this seems more like they are getting shot with .50 cal rounds or something, not crossbow bolts.

So if adamantine chain doesn't cut it, I am sure cloth would have the same problems.

A skilled (or lucky) archer can penetrate chainmail fairly easily. The shaft can go right through the hole.
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Re: Elite Adamantine archers
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2010, 10:54:59 am »

I don't know about that.  All I am saying is, the bolts are still very deadly without even penetrating the chain, so even if it was 100% unpenetrable you'd still get a rib smashed into your vitals and die in one or two shots.  This is what I found in the arena.  So chain and cloth are pretty much a wash I think.
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