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[Robocorn]

A large sized cleric with war domain that gets their free weapon focus to overcome most of the way.
An ogre cleric of Grummsh could wield two large sized spears in each hand for 3d6 damage each at only a -1 for attacking twice. factoring in the strength modifier would make it pretty good for damage dealing. And then I guess you could enchant the spears or something.

[Shoruke]

Melee combat is just way more fun that pointing and clicking, so to speak.

HOLD UP
HOLD EVERYTHING

You're saying that, in D&D 3.5, melee combat is less point-and-click than spellcasting? WHAT?

Let's recap: your melee combat choices are: standard attack, full attack, trip, sunder, bull rush, overrun, and total defense. Sure, you can mix up your Power Attack and Combat Expertise and Defensive fighting modifiers, but once your character is built that's all the customization you get on your attacks.

Wizards, on the other hand, should have in the mid-20's of spells prepared at any given time (at our level anyway), some of which may or may not have metamagic feats applied to them. They can also have their familiar go do stuff for them if they feel like it. And don't get me going too hard on the wizard's flexibility... if your warforged juggernaut needs to kill something that's immune to magic, he points, clicks Power Attack, and rolls a d20 and some d4's and d6's or whatever size damage dice your "overpowered" armor spikes have. Whereas the wizard can cast an illusion to make himself disappear and wait for the warforged's Antimagic to wear off and then blast him, or take away the ground from underneath him and kill him with falling damage, or cast fly and then spam disjunction and then use a quickened spell of some kind when it finally works on the antimagic field, or summon a whole bunch of land-based nasties and cast fly and tell them to kill the automata and fly away and let them tear it to bits when the antimagic only dispels the wizard's control over them, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum.

Whew... I don't think I should read Bay12 just after watching a bunch of Zero Punctuation when I'm tired. It makes me use run-on sentences.

[Robocorn]

I think it's just the dice shoruke.

Rolling dice is fun, the more dice you roll the more fun. It's cathartic.

While It may be easier to just have the enemy make one save that is will probably fail at to shove 10d6 (anyone can remove the fun out of playing using a lot of d6s, you have like 50 and roll them all at once, boring) quickened chain lightning damage up their ass, it just seems funner to click your boots of speed together tumble past the orc mid-charge to avoid them getting an attack of opportunity. Then roll a d20 twice for each of your attacks and a third for your haste attack adding the power attack 5 to the charge bonus and your bonus from the haste to make a considerable bonus then getting all three to hit, one with a critical, allowing your shocking burst greataxe to do an additional 1d10 damage after confirmation and a separate attack roll. rolling your 1d10 for the shocking damage and 4d12s (which are more fun to roll than d6s according to math)for the axe doing a moderate amount of damage. You end your turn feeling a sense of accomplishment for rolling all those dice even though Zorbath the Evil aligned Cleric-Wizard-Theurge could have just used a quickened finger of death at range coupled with his ghost touch spell and killed it with a Fort save.

[Heron TSG]

It's probably just that melee characters require more planning during fights. Whereas occasionally a caster has a useful spell, it's more often that they're just dealing ridiculous amounts of damage while just standing there. With a character that has to rely on its skills and stats to get around, there is more of a sense of danger to your character.

[Lord Shonus]

I may be a little late to tonight's session.

[Robocorn]

Really? How can you be late? You bring the party with you, whenever you show up is on time.

[Lord Shonus]

I mean I'm having trouble. Actually, I'm going to have to push it back until tomorrow.

[Robocorn]

Oh, that works.

[RAM]

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[strength_modifier=floor(Strength/2-5)]
[two_handed_damage_bonus=floor(Strength_modifier*1.5)]
Made this for the Eberron campaign, would need a bit of tweaking but I thought that I would post it for review...

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[h:combat_expertise=Defense]
[h:temporary_attack_bonuses=user_input_Temp_Attack]
[h:temporary_damage_bonuses=user_input_Temp_Damage]
[h:attack_number=(user_input_Attack_Number_Start_at_zero)]
[h:base_attack_bonus=2-attack_number*5]
[h:ability_bonus=floor(strength/2-5)]
[h:ability_damage=floor(ability_bonus*1.5)]
[h:weapon_enchantment=1]
[h:weapon_dice="2d4"]
[h:extra_critical_dice="2d4"]
[h:crit_multiplier=2]
[h:crit_range=20]
Combat Expertise:[r:combat_expertise]<br>
Spiked chain Attack: [t:AttackRoll=1d20]+[t:bonus=base_attack_bonus+ability_bonus+weapon_enchantment+temporary_attack_bonuses-combat_expertise]=[r:AttackRoll+bonus]
[r,if(AttackRoll >=crit_range): "<br><b>Confirm Crit: </b>"][t,if(AttackRoll >=crit_range): CritRoll=1d20] [r,if(AttackRoll >=crit_range):"+"][r,if(AttackRoll>=crit_range):bonus][r,if(AttackRoll>=crit_range):"="][r,if(AttackRoll >=crit_range): (CritRoll+bonus)] <br>
For [t:damage_roll=eval(weapon_dice)]+[t:bonus=weapon_enchantment+ability_damage+temporary_damage_bonuses]=[r:damage_roll+bonus] damage if it hits.
[r,if(AttackRoll>=crit_range):"Or "][t,if(AttackRoll>=crit_range):damage_roll+eval(extra_critical_dice)+bonus*crit_multiplier][r,if(AttackRoll>=crit_range):" if the critical hit is confirmed."]


[syvarris]

here is my character sheet, sorry its late.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Zook Flamespit (Gnomes have weird names)
Male Gnome Wizard 10
Chaotic Good



Strength 6 (-2)
Dexterity 16 (+3)
Constitution 16 (+3)
Intelligence 20 (+5)
Wisdom 13 (+1)
Charisma 11 (+0)
 Size: Small
Height: 3' 2"
Weight: 40 lb
Eyes: Red
Hair: Black
Skin: Tan
 



Total Hit Points: 54

Speed: 20 feet

Armor Class: 20 = 10 + 3 [dexterity] + 1 [small] + 6 [bracers of armor]

Touch AC: 14
Flat-footed: 17
Initiative modifier: + 3 = + 3 [dexterity] 
Fortitude save: + 6 = 3 [base] + 3 [constitution] 
Reflex save: + 8 = 3 [base] + 3 [dexterity] + 2 [weasel] 
Will save: + 8 = 7 [base] + 1 [wisdom] 
Attack (handheld): + 4 = 5 [base] -2 [strength] + 1 [small] 
Attack (missile): + 9 = 5 [base] + 3 [dexterity] + 1 [small] 
Grapple check: -1 = 5 [base] -2 [strength] -4 [small] 


Light load: 15 or less
Medium load:16-30 lb.
Heavy load:31-45 lb.
Lift over head:45 lb.
Lift off ground:90 lb.
Push or drag:225 lb.



Languages: Common, Draconic, Dwarven, Elven, Giant, Gnome, Orc, 


Light Crossbow [1d6, crit 19-20/x2, range inc 80 ft., 2 lb, piercing]]

Weasel familiar


Feats:

Eschew Materials 
Spell Mastery x1 Spells: teleport, detect magic, Invisibility, greater, Mage armor: greater and fireball
Brew Potion 
Quicken spell 
Craft Wand 
Maximize Spell 
Scribe Scroll [free to wizard]

Skills

Appraise Int 5 =  +5   
Balance Dex* 3 =  +3   
Bluff Cha 0 =  +0   
Climb Str* -2 =  -2   
Concentration Con 16 =  +3 + 13 
Alchemy Int 22 =  +5 + 13 + 2[gnome racial] + 2[lab]   
Decipher Script Int 18 =  +5 + 13 
Diplomacy Cha 0 =  +0   
Disguise Cha 0 =  +0   
Escape Artist Dex* 3 =  +3   
Forgery Int 5 =  +5 
Gather Information Cha 0 =  +0   
Heal Wis 1 =  +1   
Hide Dex* 7 =  +3  + 4 [small] 
Intimidate Cha 0 =  +0   
Jump Str* -8 =  -2  -6 [speed 20] 
Knowledge (arcana) Int 10 =  +5 + 5
Knowledge (architecture and engineering) int 18 = +5 + 13   (mainly the engineering part)
Listen Wis 3 =  +1  + 2 [gnome] 
Move Silently Dex* 3 =  +3   
Profession Wis 14 =  +1 + 13 
Ride Dex 3 =  +3   
Search Int 5 =  +5   
Sense Motive Wis 1 =  +1   
Spellcraft Int 20 =  +5 + 13 + 2 [Knowledge, arcane] 
Spot Wis 1 =  +1   
Survival Wis 1 =  +1   
Swim Str** -2 =  -2   
Use Rope Dex 3 =  +3   


* = check penalty for wearing armor

Alchemy >=5 ranks gives + 2 on related appraise checks.
If the familiar is within reach, + 2 on spot and listen ("alertness").


Zero-level Wizard spells: 4 per day

 standard prep: (what i have prepared unless i say otherwise)
   
   detect magic  X4  PH 219

 Other spells known:
   
   wizards know all 0-level spells


First-level Wizard spells: 6 (4 + 2) per day

 standard  prep:

  Feather Fall              X1   PH 229
  Shieldbearer              X1   see earlier post
  Ray of flame              X4   see earlier post
                 
 Other spells known:
                 
  Slow burn                      see earlier post
  Endure elements                PH 226
  Mage armor                     PH 249
  Shield                         PH 278
  Identify                       PH 243
  Enlarge person                 PH 226   
                           
                                 
Second-level Wizard spells: 5 (4 + 1) per day
                             
 Standard prep:             
                             
  Scorching ray             X4   PH 274
  Detect thoughts           X1   PH 220
                         
 Other spells known:           
                                   
  See Invisibility               PH 275
  Darkvision                     PH 216
                               
                                   
Third-level Wizard spells: 4 (3 + 1) per day
                                             
 Standard prep:                               
                                           
  Mage armor, greater       X1   see earlier post
  Dispel magic              X1   PH 223
  Fireball                  X2   PH 231

 Other spells known:

  Protection from energy         PH 266 


Fourth-level Wizard spells: 4 (3 + 1) per day

 Standard prep:

  Burning blood             X4   see earlier post

 Other spells known:

  Invisibility, greater          PH 245
  Dimension door                 PH 221
  polymorph                      PH 263



Fifth-level Wizard spells: 3 (2 + 1) per day

 standard prep:

  teleport                 X1   PH 292
  Cone of cold             X2   PH 212                 

 Other spells known:

  permanancy                    PH 259
  Wall of force                 PH 298



Gnome


+ 2 constitution / -2 strength (already included)

Small (combat bonuses, + 4 to hide already included)

Low-light vision

+ 2 racial bonus on saves vs. illusions

+ 1 on DC of opponent's save vs. gnomish illusions

+ 1 racial bonus to hit kobolds and goblinoids

+ 4 dodge bonus on AC against giants

+ 2 bonus on listen checks (already included)

Speak with animals once per day

1/day dancing lights, ghost sound, prestidigitation

Wizard

Familiar / Alertness, etc.

Bonus Feats (already included)

High intelligence gains bonus spells daily

 
 Class HP rolled 
Level 1: Wizard 4 
Level 2: Wizard 1 
Level 3: Wizard 2 
Level 4: Wizard 2 + 1 to intelligence
Level 5: Wizard 3 
Level 6: Wizard 3 
Level 7: Wizard 1 
Level 8: Wizard 4 + 1 to intelligence
Level 9: Wizard 1 
Level 10: Wizard 3 


 
Zook Flamespit's Equipment:

Crossbow, light                     lb:2 
Crossbow bolts (quiver of 10) x1    lb:0.5
Spell component pouch               lb:2 
 bracers of armor +6                lb:-
bag of holding type 1               lb:15
 10 bottles of fine wine (why not?)     lb:15   
 5 bottles of alchemist's fire          lb:5
 9 more candles                         lb:-
 heavy steel shield                     lb:7.5   
 3 artisans outfit                      lb:3
 1 decanter of endless water    pg:254  lb:?                 
 Bedroll                                lb:1.5
 Candle                                 lb:0
 Flint and steel                        lb:0
 Ink vial                               lb:0
 Ink pen                                lb:0
 Paper sheets x10                       lb:0
 Parchment sheets x10                   lb:0
 Rations (1 day) x10                    lb:2.5
 Torches x10                            lb:0
 Vial (for ink or potions) x10          lb:1
 Waterskins x1                          lb:1
 Alchemist's lab                        lb:40
 Spellbook x1                           lb:3
 4600 gp 9 sp                             
Total                          held:19.5|79.5
 




More about Zook Flamespit:

Zook has always been quite talented both
 as a alchemist and wizard, however he is
 obsessed with fire, and that does not tend
 to work well when within a shop full of
various flammable and combustible potions.
 Needless to say he was kicked out of the
former city he lived in and has recently
realized he needs a new source of income
if he wishes to continue his experiments.

Edit: placed spell mastery spells and alchemy racial and lab bonus.

[Robocorn]

First thought:
Yay, more potions


Final thought:
Is a small sized companion a small load that I can carry with me at my 60 foot standard movement speed and aim at enemies to have them incinerated by spells?

EDIT
Answer:
 Yes. Gnomes are 40 lbs and Even with my Haversack and sword that only adds up to 47 lbs before the 50 which denies me my speed and AC bonuses.

EDIT:IF we leave most of your stuff in the Bag of Holding and don't carry that around with us then you can keep your crossbow and the bolts.

[Lord Shonus]

Cool I'll find a way to introduce you tomorrow, if that's ok. Sorry about canceling tonight. I've had a lot going on the last few days, and I was completely exhausted.

[RAM]

Will there be a session soon?

[syvarris]

I have downloaded mIRC and need to know how to get to the channel.

[Lord Shonus]

RAM: THe session is going to be in about an hour and a half.


Syvarris: You'll alos need MapTool and Hamachi. Join the #shonusDND channel on Newnet.


Also, I'd like everyone to be connected to IRC. If I have reason to PM you, it is a lot easier for me to do so in IRC.