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[Foamy]

I'm trying to make a basic proof of concept werewolf mod where werewolves are the only supernatural creature. The problem i have is that they seem to be at war with all humans but are never any battles between them. the humans aren't fighting each other either. I've been tweaking genesis (thanks deon) so that i have a stable foundation to test things on but they weren't even fighting before i started to make big changes.

Is there a special tag or collection of tags that cause world gen conflict? Ideally i don't want them to talk or to have any jobs other than hunter.

I've tried just adding all sorts of tags form other civs that work to see if something helps but nothing has changed it. does anyone know what i'm missing?

[Deon]

Worldgen wars are mostly based on ethics. Try to set them apart from other civs. Make slavery and flesh-eating ACCEPTABLE and they should see wars.

P.S. There may be a problem with creatures without CAN_SPEAK not starting such diplomacy to start real wars though, it needs tests. You could make them babysnatchers though... Also check the history, usually only overlapping civs attack each other.

[Foamy]

All their ethics are bad. they're also babysnatchers. i've also changed them so they can live in almost any biome. i've looked at the maps of their civs and there is often some overlap or at least territory contact. I'll try adding CAN_SPEAK and see if it makes a difference. Would that conflict with UTTERANCES?

[Deon]

Yes it would. Also if they are automatically at war, they should siege and attack. Maybe you're just unlucky?

P.S. If they already have a BABYSNATCHER tag, just make them INTELLIGENT and it should solve the problem.

The replace of INTELLIGENT with CAN_LEARN is only to make them hostile without adding BABYSNATCHER.

[Foamy]

I only added babysnatcher to try and get them to fight. I've genned several worlds with slight changes and each time i search through the entire legends list looking for conflict. it's easy to spot with no megabeasts but i only ever see the odd animal fighting humans. everyone else just dies of old age.

The main issue is that the wolves need some skill in order to be fun to fight. i'd also like them to attack adventurers on sight. once i have it working in adventure mode i'll start testing it in fortress.

EDIT: looks like adding CAN_SPEAK worked. they're fighting now but not for the right reasons. is there any reason that CAN_LEARN wouldn't work? maybe i implemented it wrong.

[Deon]

Did you remove INTELLIGENT when you used CAN_LEARN method?

INTELLIGENT = CAN_LEARN+CAN_SPEAK.

[Foamy]

I don't think intelligent was ever in there.

EDIT: Well i removed CAN_SPEAK and didn't add UTTERANCES back in and it's worked. things seem pretty balanced and there's some really cool fighting going on.

Thanks for all the help!

[Foamy]

Just bumping this to ask if there's any way of making creatures attack adventurers on sight? It would also be awesome if mayors could give quests to assassinate enemy leaders.

[dree12]

[NOFEAR] and [DIFFICULTY], I believe. That should work.

[Foamy]

[NOFEAR] and [DIFFICULTY], I believe. That should work.

What's a reasonable difficulty to set?

[vipre01]

Over 9,000!

[Josephus]

Doesn't [DIFFICULTY] merely set spawn depth in caves and EXP gain upon a successful attack?