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[nuker w]

MAY of already been said but if I am correct, on of Hitlers fundementals was to remove communism.

[devek]

And for real...what would you prefer? A potentially benevolent ruler who can push for progress, but might turn out to be crazy? Or the same eternal stew of corrupt politicians and idiot voters that makes the modern world such a mess? Player or nobles?

One of the first books I had my daughter read was Animal Farm.

It is all the same thing.

[timtek]

all dwarves are created equal, some are just more equal than others.

[nuker w]

all dwarves are created equal, some are just more equal than others.

Bahahaha.

[Shades]

Of course even once the economy is started it's far more socialist than most countries, free healthcare and education and even if dwarfs/dwarves can't afford a room or lunch they can still get free beds in the barracks and food on credit.

Free healthcare and education isn't socialist.

Yes it is, it's not privately run but controlled by the state nor do taxes mean people pay proportionally to what they use. This is at the very least nationalism with a tendency towards socialism rather than free-market capitalism.

Stop listening to Glenn Beck lol.

I had no idea who this person was until you mentioned them (and I googled of course), and I have no idea why I would listen to him?

[devek]

Yes it is, it's not privately run but controlled by the state nor do taxes mean people pay proportionally to what they use. This is at the very least nationalism with a tendency towards socialism rather than free-market capitalism.

That is wrong on so many levels.

The state doesn't decide where hospitals should be or how they are run, nor do they own them. All health care means is that the state pays for it. Any regulation isn't control more than meat inspectors make food inspectors socialism.

Roads and bridges are state owned property, and the industry in building them is very controlled by the state. Nor do people pay taxes proportionally to what they use. Fire and police stations are not privately nor do people pay taxes proportionally to what they use.

The fact is, for a properly functioning capitalist society you need certain things done by the government. You need clean air, safe food, solid roads, police to keep you safe, fires need to be put out and prevented, a military to protect you, and people need to be healthy. It isn't socialist, it is common sense.

When the government decides you can't own a widescreen television and instead must use government owned tvs produced by government owned factories you can start to say that might not be capitalist...

[Shades]

The fact is, for a properly functioning capitalist society you need certain things done by the government. You need clean air, safe food, solid roads, police to keep you safe, fires need to be put out and prevented, a military to protect you, and people need to be healthy. It isn't socialist, it is common sense.

I agree it's common sense and that a society can not function sensible without it. It is also socialism. All I am say this is against what free-market capitalism suggests, which is why I initially said these things are socialist. The combination of publicly run, state controlled socialist services and a private free-market economy seems to work well for most countries.

[Kadath]

Every economic simulation game must necessarily be a command economy, because a free market relies on people being intelligent enough to make their own desicions about what's best for them; for that you need a pretty powerful AI.

Also, the game would be boring because you aren't controlling things.

[Alastar]

Regarding the Nazis: Simplifying greatly, they were not very interested in economic theory. You could say that they went for 'as much control as possible, with as little responsibility as possible' without subscribing to capitalist, communist or liberalist ideologies. They had socialism in their name, but were divided about whether it really belonged there themselves.

They allowed private enterprises, but also made clear that remaining in business was subject to their approval and did whatever they could to suppress political influence of large companies. The government abolished trade unions and took over negotiations on behalf of the employees directly, generally with an eye to increasing productivity. Work times or required qualifications were often increased without a proportional increase in real wages, but employees received soft benefits in job security, work safety, regular breaks, efforts to make working places more appealing and organised leisure programmes.

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Regarding Dwarf Fortress: We need to keep the scale in mind; the fortresses are still relatively small. Developed capitalist economies only become efficient at a certain size; even its biggest supporters don't usually run their own family as a market economy. The economy kicking in at a few dozen makes perfect sense... the way it works not so much since it's an unholy amalgamation of petty much any concept that has been tried.

[Luraien]

Hitler failed because he didn't have magma at his disposal

[Shrugging Khan]

Personally, I'd like to have an economic mode switch in the interface. You hit the button, and the dwarves change their behaviour.

...not that simply, of course, and not without some difficulties and complications

[Hyndis]

MAY of already been said but if I am correct, on of Hitlers fundementals was to remove communism.

No. He was opposed anyone that could have any sort of power that wasn't him.

Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia were basically the same thing. One claimed to be communist and the other claimed to be fascist, but they were both totalitarian states with a state run economy and absolute rule with an iron fist, along with sheer terror.

Just because a country claims to be communist doesn't make it so.

Is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea really a democratic republic? It says it is right in the name!

[Cotes]

Erm, I'm not quite sure what the real life equivalent for a system that is based on throwing all your problems in magma is.

Immigration problems? Magma. Skewed population age? Magma. Invaders? Magma. Unruly nobility? Magma. Energy shortage? Magma.

[LordSlowpoke]

Energy shortage? Magma.

I object. You cannot pump magma with magma, you need magma mist.

[Cotes]

Energy shortage? Magma.

I object. You cannot pump magma with magma, you need magma mist.

Oh your little toys can sure use wind or water power, but the heavy industry of the real good stuff is definitely powered by magma. You only ever use charcoal as a fuel to piss off elves.