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noodle0117

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Is dwarf fortress communist?
« on: July 28, 2010, 10:02:02 am »

In a communist society, everyone does their job and puts all of their hard work (food/furniture) together before sharing it equally with all members of the society regardless of whether anyone else works or not. It seems to work the same way in DF.

When Hitler was in power, he would execute not only Jews, but also any German he deemed weak and unfit (those in the hospital), as well as a lot of other authorities who would get in the way, all the time claiming that those executions were merely "Accidents". In Dwarf fortress, I've heard of lots of players who would willingly execute their nobles as well as any permanently bedridden dwarves via unfortunate accident.

So coincidence much?

edit: I never mentioned hitler was communist, and everything in the post is merely an interesting thought, not something to be serious over.
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Fatty Limes

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Re: Is dwarf fortress communist?
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2010, 10:03:53 am »

okay, but Hitler has nothing to do with communism, so....
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2010, 10:05:25 am »

I wrote a post for this earlier and if you delete this thread again I'll smack you.

Also, expect a shitstorm coming your way for comparing Hitler to anything socialist/communist. I also expect a shitstorm coming in my general drection for NOT comparing him to such...etc. etc.

But yes. According to my personal opinion, DF, as it lacks economy, is communist utopia, and somehow it took the insanity from IRL examples of communism (come on, just try and tell me the Soviet Union's leadership was perfectly sane, didn't abuse power, and such.) branded into one, huge, dwarven society. And the Baron and other nobles are bugged too! How nice.
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Re: Is dwarf fortress communist?
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2010, 10:08:01 am »

Yeah, pretty much a coincidence, and not any kind of political statement.

Basically, this system is easier to program for the time being.
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2010, 10:10:48 am »

Also, expect a shitstorm coming your way for comparing Hitler to anything socialist/communist. I also expect a shitstorm coming in my general drection for NOT comparing him to such...etc. etc.
I would hope that the members of this forum are smart enough to know the difference between Hitler's regime and communism.
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Re: Is dwarf fortress communist?
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2010, 10:11:48 am »

I'd have said a fortress is a commune, at least until the economy section starts up / is working.

Your statement about Hitler is actually true of a large number of historic world leaders, and considering the 'age' the game is set in it makes sense we do the same. I assume you chose this particular personal for the flame-bait response?
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Re: Is dwarf fortress communist?
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2010, 10:16:24 am »

Also, expect a shitstorm coming your way for comparing Hitler to anything socialist/communist. I also expect a shitstorm coming in my general drection for NOT comparing him to such...etc. etc.
I would hope that the members of this forum are smart enough to know the difference between Hitler's regime and communism.

indeed, perhaps i spoke too soon and too causticly. The internet learns ya to expect the worst. Dealing with a million idiot dorfs doesn't help either.
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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2010, 10:18:32 am »

I'd have said a fortress is a commune, at least until the economy section starts up / is working.
This sounds pretty accurate to me. There's only so many like minded people you can have before some start getting other ideas.
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Re: Is dwarf fortress communist?
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2010, 10:20:48 am »

I'd have said a fortress is a commune, at least until the economy section starts up / is working.
This sounds pretty accurate to me. There's only so many like minded people you can have before some start getting other ideas.

Like demanding steel goods in a flux-less area, or shell helmets in a desert...
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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2010, 10:24:55 am »

I'd have said a fortress is a commune, at least until the economy section starts up / is working.
This sounds pretty accurate to me. There's only so many like minded people you can have before some start getting other ideas.

Of course even once the economy is started it's far more socialist than most countries, free healthcare and education and even if dwarfs/dwarves can't afford a room or lunch they can still get free beds in the barracks and food on credit.
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Re: Is dwarf fortress communist?
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2010, 10:31:26 am »

Dwarf Fortress is tribal.  To some extent tribal societies resemble communist societies, but they are much less complex.
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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2010, 11:28:44 am »

Nah, it's pretty much feudal.  The dwarves work in exchange for protection and payment in the form of a portion of goods and services produced provided by their lords; when the economy kicks in, it's a little more capitalist but still more or less similar to 14th and 15th century feudal systems.
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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2010, 11:41:54 am »

Huh? If anything I'd say it's communist until the nobles and economy come, and then it's feudal. At no point is it ever really capitalist. What competition do you see?
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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2010, 11:51:18 am »

Huh? If anything I'd say it's communist until the nobles and economy come, and then it's feudal. At no point is it ever really capitalist. What competition do you see?

There really isn't any, at least not yet.  This is mostly because there's no supply and demand in the game to affect production (among other things...in order to be capitalist dwarves would have to be in charge of production themselves, not ordered from above).
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Re: Is dwarf fortress communist?
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2010, 12:19:18 pm »

Did this thread Godwin itself in the OP?  :o
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