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[JanusTwoface]

Also, you seem very angry today.  It's rather a switch from your much more passive playstyle until this point.  Any particular reason why?

Not particular, I am always angry.

Not during the first two game days.  At least not to this extent.  Although with your new(ish?) avatar, I'm not surprised.

[IronyOwl]

Alright, that's what I figured. Is there any other way to do it, or is it purely a combo with defending said person? Any way to block those who don't leave their house to act, like (I assume) the dreamwalker?

EDIT:

You did this explicitly to spite me, didn't you? How is being this abrasive helpful?

[Mephansteras]

EDIT:

NONE OF THAT

[JanusTwoface]

Alright, that's what I figured. Is there any other way to do it, or is it purely a combo with defending said person? Any way to block those who don't leave their house to act, like (I assume) the dreamwalker?

As far as I can tell, no and no.  Guard is the only mentioned role-blocker (which doesn't preclude scum roleblockers, although I'm 98% sure that mine was a guard) and there isn't a role that obviously blocks the stay at home roles.

[IronyOwl]

ToonyMan, you've been sort of switching between semi-lurking and not helping. I don't think you've actively hunted scum much at all, and the only attempt I recall is asking me about my waffling over Org day 1, then getting into a pointless, drawn-out discussion with Mr.Person throughout all of day two. You've put up a few good points, but they're just interjections, not actual scumhunting. Do you feel you've been helping town at all?

Yeah I think I'm helping town a lot.

ToonyMan is scummier than I thought. His back-and-forth with Mr.Person, followed by claiming it was Mr.Person who liked to "drag simple arguments out," composes the majority of his activity. Not only is he not helpful, he's incomprehensible when he does post. Almost Org-like.

I did more than that.

This is every post of yours up to that point, barring the two OOC posts:

Spoiler: RV Q&A (click to show/hide)

Watching.

You don't have to post in a thread to get unread replies about it, there's a NOTIFY button on the top-right place.

ToonyMan, what do you think of werewolves?

Pain in asses.

Voting Toaster he looks like scum.

Spoiler: Defense of Second Random Vote (click to show/hide)

I always say that but no one listens.

Spoiler: Response to Org being Org (click to show/hide)

I don't understand you Org.

Spoiler: Peculiar Mr.Person attack, possibly caused by general confusion (click to show/hide)

Haha Mr.Person you

Three problems with this:

(1) You edited IronyOwl's quote, and misquoted him at that.  (IMO, cutting paragraphs is fine, formatting for emphasis is fine, anything else is not.)

He said it was a paraphrase.

(2) It's only your second post of the game.

Irrelevant. This is a character attack that in no way proves IronyOwl's attack to be incorrect.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're not supposed to answer for other people. That's not what's going on, I'm FoSing Janus for bullshit. You make some good points, but those two bother me because they seem like the kind of attacks a person trying to make IronyOwl appear scummier than he actually is would say. You know, like scum trying to sling mud.

You're defending IronyOwl but you try to make it "OK" by saying that the other party is wrong.  Doesn't work like that, how can one appear to make someone "scummier" without going inside their mind and changing their posts somehow miraculously?

I would also like people to bring me up in discussion more, I fall asleep for 8 or so hours and no one even mentions me.

Spoiler: Advising Eduren on integrating (click to show/hide)

I don't think it would be that hard, you came in near the end of the RVS.  That's not very bad at all.

(Day 2)

Spoiler: Questioning hesitance to seal the deal on scum (click to show/hide)

IronyOwl, you seemed incredibly hesitant to lynched Org yesterday right before lynch date (I was asleep IRL at the time).  Is this because you knew he was scum and didn't want to bus your partner until you caved in?

Spoiler: Answering brief question (click to show/hide)

ToonyMan, what do you think of Pandarsenic's peculiar disappearance and flip?

Not very interesting or helpful at all.

Spoiler: Responding to Mr.Person (click to show/hide)

@ToonyMan: What about all the people who didn't vote for Org at all?

I'm guessing it's because they didn't think he was scum.

Spoiler: Pun Quip (click to show/hide)

Aren't ghouls dead in the first place?

Spoiler: Further discussion with Mr.Person (click to show/hide)

@ToonyMan: What about all the people who didn't vote for Org at all?

I'm guessing it's because they didn't think he was scum.

Ok... so why is IronyOwl more suspiscious than anybody else?

I thought I said this, he was the deciding vote for yesterday.

Why are you defending him?

Spoiler: More Mr.Person discussion (click to show/hide)

Because he was the one to make the decision, why can't you understand this?

Spoiler: Yet more Mr.Person discussion (click to show/hide)

IronyOwl, you seemed incredibly hesitant to lynched Org yesterday right before lynch date (I was asleep IRL at the time).  Is this because you knew he was scum and didn't want to bus your partner until you caved in?

It was the first post I made today Mr.Person.

Spoiler: Attempting to clarify discussion with Mr.Person (click to show/hide)

I answered your question Mr.Person, want me to do it again?

IronyOwl spent the ending of the last day hesitant to lynch Org even though that would be the only way someone would be lynched, that's a rise for suspicion.

Stop being thick-headed Mr.Person I can't phrase this anymore for you, who seem to be the only one having trouble.

Spoiler: Further Mr.Person discussion, quip on Solifuge's lurking (click to show/hide)

Actually, lemme rephrase that. What makes you think IronyOwl is bussing?

He spent about a whole page (15 replies) back and forthing with Janus.

I'm lurking like an evolved hydrolisk. That is to say, hiding just under the surface, watching everything that goes on above, and waiting to strike.
....or rather I just really hate the Random Vote phase of the game.

Bull.  If you don't like the Random Vote stage, than start something else.  Don't just disappear for a week.  Add something to the game.

Plus the fact that this is Day 2.

Spoiler: Mr.Person discussion, fallacy clarification request (click to show/hide)

How is that a fallacious statement?  I don't understand.  Is there a term for that.

Spoiler: Yes, still Mr.Person discussion (click to show/hide)

How is that a fallacious statement?  I don't understand.  Is there a term for that.

Your evidence that IronyOwl is scum is that he's bussing Janus, correct? Well, if so, then it's fallacious since Janus's alignment isn't proven, so how can you base an argument off of something not yet proven?

If Janus was proven scum he would be lynched right away, but he isn't.  You can't be saying that Mr.Person.

Spoiler: Blames drawn-out discussion on Mr.Person, calls Solifuge out on not participating day one (click to show/hide)

ToonyMan:  You're awfully focused on Person, and I'm not following your arguments.  Has nothing anyone else has said stuck out to you?

It probably looks like I'm focused on Mr.Person but that's only because he loves drawing simple arguments out.

((This text contained in spoiler named "IronyOwl"; cannot display spoilers within spoilers))
Reply #4 - Asks three questions during RV, none are particularly useful
Reply #55 - Attack on Org but "giving a second chance", doesn't vote
((End of spoiler text))
Don't really have anything.

Am I the only one detecting an air of implicit trust between JanusTwoFace and IronyOwl? It's the impression I get whenever reading their interactions, or how they refer to one another.

Solifuge:  Why did you wait until several people were pressuring you before you posted your arguments?  They're all based on D1 and the very beginning of D2, yet you don't bring them out until now.

I specifically stated that I wouldn't be partaking in the RVS, since nothing comes out of it except someone gets killed. None of it means anything until after the D1 lynchee and the N1 kill(s) roleflip. Hence, I provided an analysis on D2, once it -meant- something, rather than engaging in a vapid pissing contest with everyone, only for most of it to be wiped once hard evidence started to roll in.

Also, I try to decide on a slightly different way to play for each new game, as a metagame strategy to help me win more often overall; unpredictability is as good as a poker face whether I'm a Power Role that's important to Town, a Scum player, or a vanilla Townie.

Anyway, Unvote for now.

This bold statement has to be shown again for emphasis.  Did you just clear out say you want to not partake in something so you don't die?

(Day 3)

Spoiler: Quick roleclaim+role info claim (click to show/hide)

Eduren is a fucking zombie, I'm a sexton and I saw everything he did.  Just typing this before further reading.

Spoiler: Quote listed at beginning of this post (click to show/hide)

ToonyMan, you've been sort of switching between semi-lurking and not helping. I don't think you've actively hunted scum much at all, and the only attempt I recall is asking me about my waffling over Org day 1, then getting into a pointless, drawn-out discussion with Mr.Person throughout all of day two. You've put up a few good points, but they're just interjections, not actual scumhunting. Do you feel you've been helping town at all?

Yeah I think I'm helping town a lot.

ToonyMan is scummier than I thought. His back-and-forth with Mr.Person, followed by claiming it was Mr.Person who liked to "drag simple arguments out," composes the majority of his activity. Not only is he not helpful, he's incomprehensible when he does post. Almost Org-like.

I did more than that.

As you can see, while you've got a decent number of posts, most of them are one-liners and/or not very helpful. In terms of raw posts, about half of it's back-and-forth with Mr.Person. The fact that he's now dead didn't strike me as suspicious until now, but it's true you were mostly left alone before this.

I'm not sure what to make of this, but the current Eduren/Zombie situation is pretty much the only thing making me think you're not scum.

[Solifuge]

EDIT:

NONE OF THAT

Merely an attempt to be silly and irreverent. I was trying to diffuse the situation with Humor.

I crit-failed.

[Mephansteras]

The Scribe's Tally Sheet
Archangel: Toaster
Eduren: ToonyMan
JanusTwoFace: Solifuge
Jokerman-EXE: Eduren
Solifuge: JanusTwoFace
ToonyMan: IronyOwl

[TheBroodyMoods]

_{((Watchin' this thread- dont mind me))}

[JanusTwoface]

Spoiler: OOC Response to TheBroodyMoods (click to show/hide)

_{((Watchin' this thread- dont mind me))}

Huh.  Didn't know you could nest sub tags.  Welcome to the subforum.  I highly recommend trying a game or three, it's fun!

Also for future reference:

I crit-failed.

Did you quick-edit again?  You should abuse the 'Preview' button.  Would potentially save you most of your edit troubles.

That being said, which of the possibilities you presented earlier do you think is most likely?  Specifically after ToonyMan explained (more or less) why he doesn't think that Eduren is a priest.

[ToonyMan]

-super snip-

Is this suppose to show something?  I know what I post.

[Lonewolf I]

Warlock allows me to speak with one dead person each night.
I did not speak with Org N1, since he's scum and would have no incentive to yield information.

I am still reading through the past two days, as I haven't had a chance to since Wednesday night (only partly my fault).

If you have questions that weren't answered by my first two sentences, please help me out and repost them.

[Lonewolf I]

Finished my first read-through.

Impressions are:

Solifuge should be lynched, if not mod-killed, for blatant and intentional violation of the no-edit rule.  Humorous or no, that isn't something that an experienced player should be guilty of.

ToonyMan is trying very hard to craft a tale of zombies in such a way that, guilty or no, myself and Eduren cannot oppose him without "proving" his accusations.  While the accusation itself would be believable on its own, combining it with the assertion that opposition = confirmation is a scummy tactic dripping with logical fallacy and an overeagerness to get potential confirmed townies lynched.

[Toaster]

ToonyMan:  That's a bold claim.  While there's certainly a lot we don't know about what we could be facing, it seems unusual to me that a zombie would make another zombie out of a dead person.  Don't they traditionally make them out of live people?  Are you sure you read your PM right?

Solifuge:  You never answered me.  Why did you post that blatant WIFOM?  You're being very town unfriendly with your actions lately- please tell me you're not doing your "act scummy to see who votes me" thing on D3.

Lonewolf:  Did your PM indicate anything amiss with either your resurrection or who might have been watching?

[JanusTwoface]

If you have questions that weren't answered by my first two sentences, please help me out and repost them.

Are you a zombie?

ToonyMan is trying very hard to craft a tale of zombies in such a way that, guilty or no, myself and Eduren cannot oppose him without "proving" his accusations.  While the accusation itself would be believable on its own, combining it with the assertion that opposition = confirmation is a scummy tactic dripping with logical fallacy and an overeagerness to get potential confirmed townies lynched.

Be careful.  Even if you aren't a zombie, that doesn't mean that Eduren is completely cleared.  He could easily be a scum Priest trying to clear himself by raising you.


ToonyMan, does your ability require you to target a specific dead person?  If so, why did you choose Lonewolf I over Org or Pandarsenic?

[Toaster]

Oh right: Lonewolf, you didn't answer this:

How do you plan to change your game, since it got you lynched D2?