<DAY 1: RANDOM VOTE CRAP BEGINS TO WIND DOWN>
No.(This is to me saying my role, no I am not. How did you get that? I meant that if I told him my strategy, it is based on my role.)
If I have a role, is it good to say it and then have the scum know?
No.
This isn't a valid excuse because it's a blanket excuse to not ever explain what you're doing. Why are you bandwagoning town? Shhhh, can't reveal my role. Why are you flagrantly lying? STOP ROLEFISHING SCUM. Why do you keep nightkilling confirmed townies? It's a secret, if I told you scum would gain an advantage.
Even if you have a powerful role, trying to hide from everyone else and do everything yourself doesn't work, Org. If you won't explain why you're doing anything, we'll have no choice but to assume you're up to no good and lynch you. Scum are working together by default, Org. If town can't do the same, they're going to lose.
I was trying to get Org to be useful. That's why I explained in exact detail why his argument didn't work, rather than stating he was scummy and moving on.
Or you know, lurking the rest of the day.
<ORG STARTS TO GET VOTES>
I'd rather see Lonewolf lynched for being scummy than Org lynched for being useless, especially since I think Org can be useful, he just isn't always.
I'll lynch Org if it's that or no lynch, but I'd really rather not lynch a nuisance unless we have no other targets.[/quote]
I didn't change my mind, I preferred lynching him to not lynching anyone. You, on the other hand, had your vote on a random person that day, so I guess it makes sense you either wanted or didn't mind a no lynch.
<MAJORITY IS NEARING ORG>
Nobody's willing to change their vote? If we're going to lynch someone useless and incomprehensible, we should have gone with Solifuge.
Org had been involved in more productive conversation than you. I have no issue whatsoever claiming that Org was more useful to town at that point than you were, intentionally or not.
<VOTES STAY ON ORG; EITHER HE VOTES ORG, OR THERE'S NO LYNCH>
Blegh. This, really, really feels like a mistake, but Unvote, Vote Org.
Two quotes ago, voting Org when he was "gaining votes" was suspicious. Now it's suspicious that I'm hesitant to? And I thought jumping on Org because everyone (read: almost enough people for a lynch but not quite) else did it was suspicious?
<4 MINUTES LATER>
I was going to move my vote, but that's not helpful now that you've moved yours.
Assuming we get in before Meph does, we could both change it. Unless it's to Lonewolf, we would still be at no lynch, though.
Obviously, I preferred lynching Lonewolf to Org. I see being okay with a no lynch is still suspicious now, have you finally made up your mind? It'd have been nice if you'd decided this day 1 at some point, else my hemming and hawing would have been irrelevant.
<ORG DIES, AND FLIPS CULT>
Imploring Org to give explanations for his actions and work more closely with the town is simply a loosely veiled request that he reveal his strategy. Given his declaration that revealing his strategy would reveal his role, which you were explicitly responding to, this equates to your asking him to reveal his role.
You're rolefishing.
Only scum would be rolefishing D1, since the secrecy of their roles is one of the few advantages town has.
You are either scum or you don't quite grasp role strategy in mafia, in which case being lynched will teach you not to rolefish without a solid reason next time.
So, Lonewolf I, let's go over this once more.
Asking someone to explain their actions means asking them to reveal their strategy.
If you say revealing your strategy reveals your role, obviously it's true.
Therefore, asking someone to explain themselves is rolefishing.
That's all the evidence I need, but circumstantially, this was also in defense of Org, and to be blunt it makes more sense that you were defending your scumbuddy than that you actually think any of that's true. You've also got a quaint excuse for when I flip town- oh look! Cute lil noob IronyOwl got himself lynched. He's got nobody to blame but himself, certainly not poor honest Lonewolf.
LONEWOLF DEFENDS ORGNo.(This is to me saying my role, no I am not. How did you get that? I meant that if I told him my strategy, it is based on my role.)
If I have a role, is it good to say it and then have the scum know?
No.
This isn't a valid excuse because it's a blanket excuse to not ever explain what you're doing. Why are you bandwagoning town? Shhhh, can't reveal my role. Why are you flagrantly lying? STOP ROLEFISHING SCUM. Why do you keep nightkilling confirmed townies? It's a secret, if I told you scum would gain an advantage.
Even if you have a powerful role, trying to hide from everyone else and do everything yourself doesn't work, Org. If you won't explain why you're doing anything, we'll have no choice but to assume you're up to no good and lynch you. Scum are working together by default, Org. If town can't do the same, they're going to lose.
Unvote
If you have a powerful role, tell us now "for the good of the town".
/paraphrase
Behind all your talk of strategy and working together, IronyOwl, is the most blatant case of rolefishing I've seen thus far. Explain yourself.
More detail? Sure, why not?
Even if you have a powerful role, trying to hide from everyone else and do everything yourself doesn't work, Org. If you won't explain why you're doing anything, we'll have no choice but to assume you're up to no good and lynch you. Scum are working together by default, Org. If town can't do the same, they're going to lose.
Imploring Org to give explanations for his actions and work more closely with the town is simply a loosely veiled request that he reveal his strategy. Given his declaration that revealing his strategy would reveal his role, which you were explicitly responding to, this equates to your asking him to reveal his role.
You're rolefishing.
Only scum would be rolefishing D1, since the secrecy of their roles is one of the few advantages town has.
You are either scum or you don't quite grasp role strategy in mafia, in which case being lynched will teach you not to rolefish without a solid reason next time.
IRONYOWL EXPLAINS WHY LONEWOLF IS SCUM (HINT: STILL DAY ONE, NO MENTION OF ORG)If you have a powerful role, tell us now "for the good of the town".
/paraphrase
Behind all your talk of strategy and working together, IronyOwl, is the most blatant case of rolefishing I've seen thus far. Explain yourself.
Nice try, scum. I could see getting that I wanted Org to reveal his role from looking at that out of context, but I can't imagine a method other than glancing at keywords that would imply I wanted anyone with a powerful role to reveal themselves (or Org to roleclaim only if he had a powerful role). Mind going over that in detail, or is two paragraphs too much to pick apart without revealing yourself?
Imploring Org to give explanations for his actions and work more closely with the town is simply a loosely veiled request that he reveal his strategy. Given his declaration that revealing his strategy would reveal his role, which you were explicitly responding to, this equates to your asking him to reveal his role.
You're rolefishing.
Only scum would be rolefishing D1, since the secrecy of their roles is one of the few advantages town has.
You are either scum or you don't quite grasp role strategy in mafia, in which case being lynched will teach you not to rolefish without a solid reason next time.
Wow, really? You are actually, honestly trying to say that what I said is blatantly wrong, and explaining what you're doing automatically reveals your role? Goddamn, if I'd known that I wouldn't have responded to your questions as to why I was rolefishing! Now you know my role!
Unvote, Vote Lonewolf I. No townie is going to accept "can't say, go away" as a response unless they're certain someone's town, which would take some incredible readings on Org at this point.
IRONOWL MAKES HIS FIRST DECLARATION OF DAY TWO (HINT: COPIOUS REFERENCE TO DAY ONE)Imploring Org to give explanations for his actions and work more closely with the town is simply a loosely veiled request that he reveal his strategy. Given his declaration that revealing his strategy would reveal his role, which you were explicitly responding to, this equates to your asking him to reveal his role.
You're rolefishing.
Only scum would be rolefishing D1, since the secrecy of their roles is one of the few advantages town has.
You are either scum or you don't quite grasp role strategy in mafia, in which case being lynched will teach you not to rolefish without a solid reason next time.
So, Lonewolf I, let's go over this once more.
Asking someone to explain their actions means asking them to reveal their strategy.
If you say revealing your strategy reveals your role, obviously it's true.
Therefore, asking someone to explain themselves is rolefishing.
That's all the evidence I need, but circumstantially, this was also in defense of Org, and to be blunt it makes more sense that you were defending your scumbuddy than that you actually think any of that's true. You've also got a quaint excuse for when I flip town- oh look! Cute lil noob IronyOwl got himself lynched. He's got nobody to blame but himself, certainly not poor honest Lonewolf.
Also circumstantially, Pandarsenic was the other one voting for you, and he's disappeared now. I honestly wasn't too keen on my chances of making it through the night, what with the grace and subtlety with which you defended Org, but in retrospect it might have made more sense to knock off the less verbose, visible one attacking you. Or convert him, if Cult works in some sort of recruit fashion.
Solifuge, if for some reason this isn't over by the end of today, you're next.
Eduren, you're also lurky. I realize it's a tad awkward to get integrated, but you should be all caught up by now. Any comments?
ToonyMan, what do you think of Pandarsenic's peculiar disappearance and flip?
I honestly thought Lonewolf was blatant and obvious scum, but between refusing to show up day 1 and then pulling this crap, you're giving him a run for his money.
Oh yes:
(Double Post, for Legibility)
...and this brings me to the matter of IronyOwl. SO MUCH Org defense yesterday, either you were doing some convoluted reverse-bussing WIFOM, you're a fairly inexperienced Scum player who doesn't know how bad it looks to defend a fellow scum player, or you're a White-Knighting townie. Take your pick.
Anyway, let's talk about my lurking some more, and regurgitate the same statements over and over, like a broken record. It's a great way to cover absolutely no ground.
I've provided an explanation for that. You haven't explained how you're less suspicious or helpful than Janus, other than to display contempt of the notion that lurking is bad.
I didn't realize we were trying to prove that we were Town here, IronyOwl. I was under the impression that we should be voicing our suspicions, analyzing other players, and scum hunting. Maybe we have different priorities.
Here we go again. Yes, we are trying to prove we're town.
We are trying to prove we are town. This avoids getting us lynched instead of the scum.
But yes, given that I asked numerous questions and engaged in verbose explanation of why I thought someone was scum, and you imperiously declared that the royal personage would not be attending but ye royal vote shall remain, I think it's safe to say we have very different priorities regarding voicing suspicions, analyzing players, and scum hunting in general.
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