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[cephalo]

When ever there is a fight on a ledge somewhere, it's always better to take a hit than step off into 'open space'. The better dodger you are, the lower your life span.

[tfaal]

Yeah, this has been the case since the release of the first 3d version. However, you can turn dodging off as an adventurer, so the skill has definite applications.

[cephalo]

Yeah, this has been the case since the release of the first 3d version. However, you can turn dodging off as an adventurer, so the skill has definite applications.

DF2010 is the first time I've seen it in dwarf mode, I don't think you can turn it off there. Sometimes its like lemmings.

[gtmattz]

Yeah, this has been the case since the release of the first 3d version. However, you can turn dodging off as an adventurer, so the skill has definite applications.

DF2010 is the first time I've seen it in dwarf mode

Well maybe you never noticed it, but dodging was definintely in previous 3d versions.   In fact, one of the primary dangers of  40d carp was not the actual fish attack, but your dwarves dodging into the water and drowning, that is what made carp especially deadly.

[cephalo]

Yeah, this has been the case since the release of the first 3d version. However, you can turn dodging off as an adventurer, so the skill has definite applications.

DF2010 is the first time I've seen it in dwarf mode

Well maybe you never noticed it, but dodging was definintely in previous 3d versions.   In fact, one of the primary dangers of  40d carp was not the actual fish attack, but your dwarves dodging into the water and drowning, that is what made carp especially deadly.

How could I not notice this? All of a sudden I'm finding that I need to cement over the stagnant pools.

I know why! I used to rely on marksdwarves!

[Arkose]

Maybe dwarves with high Dodging skills should have a better sense of when NOT to dodge. (Or at least know to try to dodge somewhere safe instead of any open, possibly unfloored, square.)

[NW_Kohaku]

Maybe dwarves with high Dodging skills should have a better sense of when NOT to dodge. (Or at least know to try to dodge somewhere safe instead of any open, possibly unfloored, square.)

"OH NO! That carp is gulping at me menacingly, even though it cannot really threaten me from here on land!  I KNOW! I'll dodge into the water, where I'll be safe!"

[Threlicus]

The majority of my combat casualties so far are not enemy action, but drowning due to dodging into water over my non-swimmers' heads (I don't make any effort to train swimming). I certainly don't mind if this happens as a consequence of an enemy attack -- pushing someone off a bridge ought to be a perfectly fine tactic -- but when the dwarves do it to themselves it bothers me.

Perhaps we could get something simple like, the difficulty of a dodge is inversely proportional to the number of 'safe' squares to move to, where 'safe' squares are ones that pathfinding would consider moving to; and then a successful dodge chooses randomly between those safe squares.

[NW_Kohaku]

It does raise the question of whether or not dwarves are trying to dodge into walls, and just bumping their heads and getting hit, anyway, though...

[tfaal]

I'm pretty sure that never happens. You would end up getting a "collides with an obstacle" line in your combat reports, like you do when an enemy charges past a dwarf into a wall. Since the dodge roll can check for that, it shouldn't be too hard to keep dwarves from dodging into open space.

[Werdna]

Dodging would be cool if a successful dodge let you stay in your square, say X% of the time, and dodge out of your square Y% of the time, where x+y = 100% and X increases/Y decreases at each level of dodge skill.

[Creamcorn]

"OH NO! That carp is gulping at me menacingly, even though it cannot really threaten me from here on land!  I KNOW! I'll dodge into the water, where I'll be safe!"

Sigged, I also found that walling off potential splatter areas helpful in keeping dwarfs alive.

[Lightning4]

Yeah, this has been the case since the release of the first 3d version. However, you can turn dodging off as an adventurer, so the skill has definite applications.

Older than that. As long as dwarves have been able to dodge attacks, they've been able to fall into things. The only things that would really kill them in 2D were the chasm and/or the lava moat.

I had an idiot artifact-maker dodge into the chasm once. Plus several skilled military dwarves. It was fun.

[Sensei]

Ramps. Put them near water. Save dwarves.

Also, is it weird to anyone that no body of water ever except for cave lakes (and the ocean I think) naturally has shallow sloping edges?

[tfaal]

Yeah, that should probably be rectified. You could even replace the current brooks with ramped rivers that have two points of water in them. I've got something like that in my back yard, although it's technically a creek.