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The concept of good & evil
« on: July 25, 2010, 07:19:59 pm »

Somebody explain it to me because over the years of self development free of outside influences, I've lost the ability to grasp the concept.
What is good, and what is evil?
Is good worth pursuing?
Is evil worth pursuing?
What are the differences, and similarities?
Why are things that are considered pleasant also considered evil?
And why are unpleasant things good?
What makes good good and evil evil?
Why I don't have the same morals as anyone else?

I have found the pursue and understanding of evil (You heard right) ultimately a rewarding good experience. When I know what other people consider evil, and well not do it when I feel like it, I find at the end of the day I'm a better person. Arrogance included in the mix, but ignore that for now.
I have thought some more, and came to conclusion that people that are told their whole lives what is good and evil and to pursue only good are well... pretty lost people. With the perfect example of teenagers drinking and smoking more and more.

If you disagree with me on the thought that good and evil actually don't exist and are man made, then I will not disagree with you. After all it's your perception. I have mine.

And don't bring the argument of "how would you like to be killed?". I'm fully aware of that and I stay by my ideologies. Some people might even come to conclusion this has something to do with Nietzche, and the like, and yes is kind of does.
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Re: The concept of good & evil
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2010, 07:22:25 pm »

Good and Evil are words.

For every person, their is a differnt definition of these words, along with how they respond to it and how they try to attain it.
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Re: The concept of good & evil
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2010, 07:25:48 pm »

Somebody explain it to me because over the years of self development intellectual mastrubation free of outside influences, I've lost the ability to grasp the concept.

Fixed.

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Re: The concept of good & evil
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2010, 07:33:28 pm »

That was a splendidly speedy troll
EDIT: And yes Intelectual masturation somehow fits my character. How odd
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Re: The concept of good & evil
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2010, 07:45:09 pm »

Good is making things better, Evil is making things worse. of course, it's in the intent.
If you intend to make things worse by doing Good, that's Evil. If you intend to make things better by doing Evil, that's Good.

that's a nice simple definition I think a lot of people can agree on.
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Re: The concept of good & evil
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2010, 08:11:11 pm »

Somebody explain it to me because over the years of self development free of outside influences, I've lost the ability to grasp the concept.
What is good, and what is evil?
Good: What an individual or community considers to be a benifical and positive action or outcome.
Evil: What an indivdual or commiunity condisders to be a malicious and negitive action or outcome.
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Is good worth pursuing?
Is evil worth pursuing?
Individuals and communities will always pursue what they consider to be good and avoid what they consider to be evil. Communites, however, suffer from dissent.
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What are the differences, and similarities?
This depends on the individual in question's subjective opinion.
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Why are things that are considered pleasant also considered evil?
And why are unpleasant things good?
This is not always the case, and depends on who you ask. This observation most likely (I assume you live in North America or Europe) comes from the strong presence and history of Christianity in the first world. Many sects of Christianity strive to obtain a greater reward after death by ignoring the pleasures of our world. The logical progression of this thought is that if pleasure leads to sin, then unplesureful things lead to grace. Thus, you may have picked up this impression, your own thoughts on the matter nonwithstanding.
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What makes good good and evil evil?
Nothing. Good and Evil are subjective, no way set in fact.
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Why I don't have the same morals as anyone else?
Different input leads to different output. Your life has brought you to conclusions on Good and Evil, same as everyone else. People can come to wildly different conclusions, as a look through politics and history can show you without doubt.
« Last Edit: July 25, 2010, 08:14:39 pm by MetalSlimeHunt »
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Re: The concept of good & evil
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2010, 08:31:19 pm »

Somebody explain it to me because over the years of self development intellectual mastrubation free of outside influences, I've lost the ability to grasp the concept.

Fixed.

Yarp. Also I think any real study of good and evil happens far, far away from the Internet, where action, application and real life occur.
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Re: The concept of good & evil
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2010, 08:51:05 pm »

That was a splendidly speedy troll

Not really, so very very many people are stupid, and I say this as one of them, in their teens, you get over all the self-realization and angst and yes intellectual mastrubation, it really does seem to me to be a phase.
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Re: The concept of good & evil
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2010, 08:57:14 pm »

Not really, so very very many people are stupid, and I say this as one of them, in their teens, you get over all the self-realization and angst and yes intellectual mastrubation, it really does seem to me to be a phase.
Makes sense. Teenagers become obsessed with creating meaning in life, and then promptly overdo it and become like the OP, all "Beyond Good and Evil" in the literal sense. Then the angst directed at life for seeming empty and unfair. Feelings of standard superiority over everyone else, followed by feelings of intellectual superiority. Most certainly a phase.
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Re: The concept of good & evil
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2010, 09:04:34 pm »

Good = Beneficial to the majority.
Evil = Detrimental to the majority.

Edit:  Of course, this is only in the largest cases.  It gets difficult to explain good and evil on smaller scales.  Achieving a good effect by committing evil actions likely ends with some sort of balance.

Ehh...

Doesn't really matter.  Most people have some sort of conscience which thinks these things through for them.
« Last Edit: July 25, 2010, 09:08:26 pm by Lucus Casius »
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Re: The concept of good & evil
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2010, 09:06:06 pm »

Good = Beneficial to the majority.
Evil = Detrimental to the majority.

How do you define Beneficial/Detrimental?

The Majority?
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Re: The concept of good & evil
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2010, 09:09:14 pm »

Not really, so very very many people are stupid, and I say this as one of them, in their teens, you get over all the self-realization and angst and yes intellectual mastrubation, it really does seem to me to be a phase.
Makes sense. Teenagers become obsessed with creating meaning in life, and then promptly overdo it and become like the OP, all "Beyond Good and Evil" in the literal sense. Then the angst directed at life for seeming empty and unfair. Feelings of standard superiority over everyone else, followed by feelings of intellectual superiority. Most certainly a phase.
Normally I avoid saying that because “it is just a phase” is so overdone but the fact that this forums seems to have quite a bit of these people has ticked me off somewhat. I am glad that you agreed, it boosted my frail intellectual pride.
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Re: The concept of good & evil
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2010, 09:11:46 pm »

Good = Beneficial to the majority.
Evil = Detrimental to the majority.

How do you define Beneficial/Detrimental?

The Majority?
Beneficial = Something that improves the condition of something in some way.  Detrimental would be the opposite.

The majority are bacteria.
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Re: The concept of good & evil
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2010, 09:12:23 pm »

 :P
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Re: The concept of good & evil
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2010, 09:14:23 pm »

Not really, so very very many people are stupid, and I say this as one of them, in their teens, you get over all the self-realization and angst and yes intellectual mastrubation, it really does seem to me to be a phase.
Makes sense. Teenagers become obsessed with creating meaning in life, and then promptly overdo it and become like the OP, all "Beyond Good and Evil" in the literal sense. Then the angst directed at life for seeming empty and unfair. Feelings of standard superiority over everyone else, followed by feelings of intellectual superiority. Most certainly a phase.
Normally I avoid saying that because “it is just a phase” is so overdone but the fact that this forums seems to have quite a bit of these people has ticked me off somewhat. I am glad that you agreed, it boosted my frail intellectual pride.
I mostly agree because I remember thinking like that up unitll about half a year ago. The OP and I are both 16, so it isn't very suprising.
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