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Author Topic: Brooks, oh detestable brooks!  (Read 6330 times)

Shrugging Khan

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Brooks, oh detestable brooks!
« on: July 25, 2010, 11:12:54 am »

Is there any way to reduce the number of brooks (without loosing actual rivers) during world gen?
Or at least some crafty tweak to exclude brooks from the embark finder's "rivers: yes" setting?

I hate brooks. Seriously.
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Re: Brooks, oh detestable brooks!
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2010, 11:20:35 am »

Settle further downhill.
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Re: Brooks, oh detestable brooks!
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2010, 11:45:02 am »

Why? I mean, they are not rivers, but they are mcvh better than nothing and you can tell them apart from rivers from the embark screen.

Why on earth would you detest brooks?
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Re: Brooks, oh detestable brooks!
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2010, 12:26:23 pm »

Because the finder keeps feeding me brooks when I want real rivers. Then, when I go check downstream, all my other finder settings (evil, savagery, temperature, flux, elevation, aquifers) get thrashed, so I have to keep checking tile for tile. It's a tremendous hassle.

Seriously, brooks. WTF.
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Re: Brooks, oh detestable brooks!
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2010, 12:36:41 pm »

The finder sure could differentiate, but....

1: There's not really much difference between brook and river.

2: The site finder is pretty pointless in DF2010 anyway. It won't show you magma pipes and pools and there are there are no chasms or underground rivers (wile UG lakes are almost guaranteed with normal settings). The rest (including volcanoes) are pretty darn easy to spot simply by look at the map, unless you made an unnecessarily large one.
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Re: Brooks, oh detestable brooks!
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2010, 12:48:00 pm »

I've been noticing that actual rivers are pretty rare in my worldgens anymore.  I look for a real river on every map, and the best I've found is one single river on one of my 31.10 maps, and that was an otherwise undesirable location.
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Re: Brooks, oh detestable brooks!
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2010, 12:50:10 pm »

We then conclude that the finder is crap. Are there any tools out there one could use in its stead?
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Re: Brooks, oh detestable brooks!
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2010, 12:56:12 pm »

We then conclude that the finder is crap. Are there any tools out there one could use in its stead?
Nope.

And frankly, even if there were, it wouldn't be much better.
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Re: Brooks, oh detestable brooks!
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2010, 01:04:10 pm »

We then conclude that the finder is crap. Are there any tools out there one could use in its stead?
But why does it matter whether it's brook or river?
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Re: Brooks, oh detestable brooks!
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2010, 01:06:03 pm »

Nowadays, every 3x3 site has magma and HFS, the rest is labeled, so the utility of the site finder has dwindled to nothing for me.  Even in 40d I rarely used it because it was slow and only gave me the first suitable spot, rather than a *list* of sites.

One reason to want rivers over brooks is to get macrofish and hippos, not just vermin.
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Re: Brooks, oh detestable brooks!
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2010, 01:30:59 pm »

Try genning a region-style world rather than island-style.
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Re: Brooks, oh detestable brooks!
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2010, 01:35:49 pm »

quadruple rainfall, and add way more mountains and hills?
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Re: Brooks, oh detestable brooks!
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2010, 01:40:37 pm »

Larger worlds increase the appearance of rivers. Also, learn to differentiate them visually on the embark map.
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Re: Brooks, oh detestable brooks!
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2010, 02:50:05 pm »

Heh, I found a river 7 tiles wide at it's thinnest point. It zigzags through my map :D
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Re: Brooks, oh detestable brooks!
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2010, 04:48:41 pm »

Hold on. Rainfall. Hills. Mountains.
I usually make my worlds so they sport as many flat deserts as possible, so...yeah...my bad on the world gen side of this.

Still, the finder. It's totally useless and all the good stuff is underground? What a sad day for aboveground fortresses.
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