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[Totaku]

Ah finally, I glad to see there is a work around to the crash, I'm still hope this'll mean a .12 quick fix now that we've pinpointed the possible cause. I like to hold a game without this error in mind. Otherwise I can still tolerate it to an extent.

[cephalo]

I don't think I changed the skill rate loading this time.  If it's broken, it has probably been broken for a while.  The "rusty" display is new.

If somebody has a novice or competent skill, and they get 1 level of rust, that is at least 50% rust so they get "rusty" displayed.  I don't quite remember, but that'll happen after half a year or something.  It would still only take just one learning event (like a finished job) to get rid of all the rust at that level.  So this isn't really a serious effect, but it looks bad I guess.  It would take much more time to get a "rusty" on a higher skill, and even in that case it's not a permanent loss and would only take a few jobs to work off.  Permanent loss takes years even for one level.

That said, I wouldn't mind putting in an init option.

For a single dwarf, this sounds perfectly reasonable. But here's how you have to think of such things, in a fort with 150 dwarves and 50 who's skills you care about, that's around 25 tasks for the player per year to prevent permanent skill loss. That's a ton of babysitting when you are trying to realize your vision for the fort with everything else going on like ambushes and seiges and whatever.

This game is never lacking in really fun stuff for the player to pay attention to, so when you add tasks at this point, it has to be up to par in the fun category.

[G-Flex]

I don't think it's as big a deal as that, because honestly, that situation would only arise if you have dwarves not doing their prescribed jobs for years on end. If that happens, then I think the more serious problem is the way the fortress is being run.

[Tuxman]

Dwarf Fortress trumps any and all modern games on today's market.

Too true...

With combined low-mantinence and incredible depth, DF is impossible to beat.

[NegaDwarf]

I'm wondering... with the fix to Shell reactions and Bone reactions, will the fix be in soon to allow Reactions to produce Shell and Bone objects soon?

That has been bugging me for a long time. I've tried dozens of permutations with the newest releases, but still all trying to make Dragon Bone and Turtle Shell reactions do... is crash Dwarf Fortress.

I'd really love an update on that.

[cephalo]

I don't think it's as big a deal as that, because honestly, that situation would only arise if you have dwarves not doing their prescribed jobs for years on end. If that happens, then I think the more serious problem is the way the fortress is being run.

That depends entirely on what your goals are. Let's say you have structure that will take twenty years to build. First you have to make sure you have some defense, you make full sets of bronze armor and weapons for 20 dwarves or whatever, and your armorsmith gains some skill. Before you delve down and get better metals, you might want to finish that structure. You'll have dwarves killed over the decade, but you still have all the weapons and armor you need until you're ready for the next expansion. By the time you're ready to dig down and get better metals, you armorsmith will have lost most of his skills by that time unless you *repeatedly* set him making more junk to pitch into the atom smasher. I'm busy!

I dunno, my forts take many decades to build, and I'm never sitting around looking for something to do. I've got plans that don't involve making useless items just to add to the already obscene item count in an old fort. Half my labor is already spent just dumping the junk the goblins bring.

[Baughn]

By the time we have standing production orders, you could set those to have, let's say, thirty pieces of armor around at all times, then become an armor exporter.

It's still a little extra work, but I'd be fine with that. Makes the fort seem more real, somehow. You?

[smjjames]

Anyways, I wonder whats up with those crashes that have been reported?

[Untelligent]

If somebody has a novice or competent skill, and they get 1 level of rust, that is at least 50% rust so they get "rusty" displayed.  I don't quite remember, but that'll happen after half a year or something.

I got a couple military migrants in my first summer. By early autumn, they were already rusty. Might wanna check the time interval on that one.

[Psieye]

I don't think it's as big a deal as that, because honestly, that situation would only arise if you have dwarves not doing their prescribed jobs for years on end. If that happens, then I think the more serious problem is the way the fortress is being run.

That depends entirely on what your goals are. Let's say you have structure that will take twenty years to build. First you have to make sure you have some defense, you make full sets of bronze armor and weapons for 20 dwarves or whatever, and your armorsmith gains some skill. Before you delve down and get better metals, you might want to finish that structure. You'll have dwarves killed over the decade, but you still have all the weapons and armor you need until you're ready for the next expansion. By the time you're ready to dig down and get better metals, you armorsmith will have lost most of his skills by that time unless you *repeatedly* set him making more junk to pitch into the atom smasher. I'm busy!

I dunno, my forts take many decades to build, and I'm never sitting around looking for something to do. I've got plans that don't involve making useless items just to add to the already obscene item count in an old fort. Half my labor is already spent just dumping the junk the goblins bring.

It is an issue of playstyle yes. I can't stand even making bronze armour, let alone leaving my soldiers in them for a decade. "Dig down to better metals" = the HFS metal I presume? I compromise at steel and I'd be busy making masterworks by the time I'm a year into building whatever superstructure megaproject I want.

[Rafal99]

By the time we have standing production orders, you could set those to have, let's say, thirty pieces of armor around at all times, then become an armor exporter.

It's still a little extra work, but I'd be fine with that. Makes the fort seem more real, somehow. You?

By the way it would be good idea to have orders like "make X items every Y years/months". That way you could prevent permanent skill loses without additional micromanagement.

[Footkerchief]

*facepalm*

My apologies. It's incrdibly obvious that that would happen, but somehow I didn't realize.

I'll have it fixed soon. Meanwhile, yeah, start in windowed mode.

Here's the tracker entry so that you can mark it fixed.

[John Keel]

By the time we have standing production orders, you could set those to have, let's say, thirty pieces of armor around at all times, then become an armor exporter.

It's still a little extra work, but I'd be fine with that. Makes the fort seem more real, somehow. You?

By the way it would be good idea to have orders like "make X items every Y years/months". That way you could prevent permanent skill loses without additional micromanagement.

Conditional orders are on the suggestion voting page. I believe there's a thread for them.

[Poot]

One of my dwarves keep trying to clean himself and cancelling it. Is this a bug? Soap is available. Also, bit of a noob question but since dwarves do invidual training, how can they train armor or shield skills? Will they just permanently rust that skill since it goes unused?

[Heavenfall]

Is anyone having problems with gaining almost no experience in solo or group drills? I've had my dwarves train for a year as a group, and half a year solo, and NONE have passed 100 exp (according to dwarftherapist) in the skill. They're all listed as dabbling, and they've all been actively training.