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[Dr.Feelgood]

@Robsoie

- Meph cloud doesn't work on poison-resistant enemies and Louise probably has enough HD to shrug it off.
- Bolt of Fire is better at killing uniques than Fireball.
- Train Enchantments so Sif will give you a book with haste.
- Your HP is pretty low, maybe you should raise your fighting skill more or keep repel missiles on all the time.
- Turn off fire magic, unless you want to cast fire storm.
- The moment you join Jiyva all jellies and eyes turn neutral, the slime walls won't burn you, and the treasure vaults collapse. This leaves all the treasure exposed, so you have to quickly grab stuff before the jellies eat them.

[Robsoie]

thank you for these hints, will try to get back in upper floors to get figthing skill higher, as i am really low in max health .
going to train enchantment too, i could have a use for haste.

So the poison resistance was why all those naga didn't seem to be confused by mephitic could, this will make snake pit a lot more difficult than i thought.
But at least i'm apparently immune to confusion too, thanks to my poison resistance certainly then, as nothing has managed to poison or confuse me since i got my hand on a leather armor artifact on D:7.

[Mr.Person]

You're still susceptible to the spell Confusion but very few enemies actually cast that. Remember, Nagas are slower than you, you can kite them quite easily with even Magic Dart and never get hit.

[Robsoie]

Damn, just got killed by that ugly "Margery" in 2 bolts of fire in 2 turns so nothing i could do, the game wanted to kill my character, it managed to do it.
Great, just great, another promising character that got killed stupidly.

I hate you Crawl.

[Mr.Person]

Margery is one of those uniques that isn't so bad on paper but winds up being really hard when you actually fight her.

[Robsoie]

Well, i gave a look to her wiki entry after having been killed, and she is not really listed as a small threat, considering i encountered her in mid game only.

164 HP for a mage, that's really huge so she can take a lot of punishment and continue to bombard you with fire without a problem, i don't think i encountered any monster yet with as much health as her in the 30+ floors i explored so far with this kobold. Even those dire elephants that took lots of sticky flame to take down have only 64 HP.

Her 2 main spells bolt of fire and fireball , can shoot several units in the same row for the 1st and very zone of effect for the 2nd, that's 2 great asset.

Next time i encounter any monster or unique i don't know i will have to refer to the wiki to have a hope of surviving, though in the case of Margery it would have changed nothing, she was surrounding the stair with her hellknight when i went in Snake:3 (exactly like Louise and the nagas in Snake:1), came back with all her hell knight in Snake:2, and she just blasted me 2 times.

So even if i knew in advance she was much superior to my kobold, i couldn't have survived more than the 2 turns it took to her to annihilate my character.

[Mr.Person]

Well what really makes here reasonable is that she's always surrounded by Hell Knights. Basically, if you see Hell Knights, Margery is nearby 99% of the time unless you're in the Abyss, Hells, or Pandemonium. Then Margery's only likely to be nearby instead of almost certainly being nearby.

Of course, since she and the Hell Knights have ridiculously well-branded weapons, and they're all wearing heavy armour... and some of the hell knights are also able to cast bolt of fire and the ones that don't cast haste... Yeah, she's pretty deadly. A good reason to ditch the branch.

[Taxus]

I lost my latest to Margery this morning. 14th level Chaos Knight of Lugonu. I was caught without any good method of escape, so tried banishing her to the Abyss. She resisted of course, being a powerful creature.

[thack]

I lost my latest to Margery this morning. 14th level Chaos Knight of Lugonu. I was caught without any good method of escape, so tried banishing her to the Abyss. She resisted of course, being a powerful creature.

Could you have banished yourself to the abyss...or gate yourself or (whatever the wording is) ?

EDIT: Instead of double posting, might as well comment here. So, I have got a DSCj of Vehumet going on currently. He is pretty strong for his level, so looks promising. Anyway, I am level 13 right now, can cast freezing cloud reliably. I also have an amulet of gourmand, so I am rarely below 'Engorged'. And I have a couple of nice artifact swords. Just recieved the Book of Power from Vehumet. And...I haven't visited the Lair yet. I have found the entrance. The Lair and it's branches would probably be very easy, except for lack of poison resistance (just found a ring in a shop though). However, there is this banner you get for winning without entering Lair, and I wanted to ask you all if their is potential for this character to try for something like this. Or should I just try for a normal win?

I know, talking about a win at all sounds really ambitious, but, hey...we can all dream, right?
The character dump is here. There are a couple of books, food and scrolls in stash in the temple..

EDIT 2: Oohh..Defeated Agnes, she had a lajatang of protection Also, check out the artifact dagger..

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

the +11,+6 dagger of Mutilation (weapon) {vamp, AC+3 Str+4}
   (You found it on level 13 of the Dungeon)   
   It inflicts no extra harm, but heals its wielder somewhat when it strikes a
   living foe.
   It affects your AC (+3).
   It affects your strength (+4).

[Dr.Feelgood]

If you have curare needles and haste, then most uniques shouldn't be a problem.

[Robsoie]

for fun i had Margery vs various monsters in the Arena

Margery vs 2 Hydra (the game made them one 5 headed and one 7 seven headed)
Margery wins

Margery vs 2 Orc Knights
Margery wins

Margery vs 4 Death Yaks
Margery wins

Margery vs 4 Elephants
Margery wins

Margery vs Saint Roka
Margery wins

Margery vs 2 Orb Guardians
Margery wins

Margery is definitively a very strong and insanely resistant monster. And from what i saw in the arena she can be given some insanely powerfull weapons.
And she can blink too.

Facing her in mid game is plain crazy.

[Taxus]

Could you have banished yourself to the abyss...or gate yourself or (whatever the wording is) ?

At that point I didn't have enough piety to gate myself to the Abyss.

I'm sure I could have done a lot of things to save myself. I think 75% or more of my deaths are from carelessness and impatience. I don't stop and think things through. If I could learn to take my time and focus while playing, I know I'd have a lot more wins under my belt. Sigh.

[Thornet]

I'm sure I could have done a lot of things to save myself. I think 75% or more of my deaths are from carelessness and impatience. I don't stop and think things through. If I could learn to take my time and focus while playing, I know I'd have a lot more wins under my belt. Sigh.

My problem exactly. I could have done a million things to save myself from the unseen horror that killed my last good character, but for whatever reason my plan was to keep swinging at the air and hoping for the best...

[thack]

I'm sure I could have done a lot of things to save myself. I think 75% or more of my deaths are from carelessness and impatience. I don't stop and think things through. If I could learn to take my time and focus while playing, I know I'd have a lot more wins under my belt. Sigh.

My problem exactly. I could have done a million things to save myself from the unseen horror that killed my last good character, but for whatever reason my plan was to keep swinging at the air and hoping for the best...

Hehe...For me, it's more the fact that I need to take a swing at the monster in melee just one more time, even though the past few melee attempts have left me with dangerously low hitpoints, and then of course, I miss, the monster hits and I am dead

[Dr.Feelgood]

The new Sprint map is available! I lost my win streak. I cleared most of the map and became slightly overconfident.