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[nonobots]

Thanks for the update!

Any reason I can't plant jute or dogbane, even though I have the seeds?

P.S. Giant Elephants give an _insane_ amount of meat. You can feed a fortress for decades just on one. I like that.

[SethCreiyd]

Heh, the truth is that Giant Elephants are just a bit too large.  Giant critters are generally twice the size of their normal counterparts, whereas mature Giant Elephants (better described as Colossal Elephants) are roughly 30 times larger than a fully grown elephant.  I'm almost certain this was a mistake.

The only thing I can think of for the seeds is that those plants had an odd placement of the seed tokens.  These are the new raws for those:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

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[PLANT:FLOWER_JUTE]
[NAME:red jute][NAME_PLURAL:red jutes][ADJ:red jute]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:STRUCTURAL:STRUCTURAL_PLANT_TEMPLATE]
[EDIBLE_VERMIN]
[BASIC_MAT:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:STRUCTURAL]
[PICKED_TILE:21][PICKED_COLOR:2:0:0]
[VALUE:2]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:THREAD:THREAD_PLANT_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:jute]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:2]
[DISPLAY_COLOR:6:0:0]
[THREAD:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:THREAD]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:LEAF:LEAF_TEMPLATE]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:5]
[EDIBLE_VERMIN][EDIBLE_COOKED]
[LEAVES:red jute leaf:red jute leaves:2:0:0:2:0:0:6:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:LEAF]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SEED:SEED_TEMPLATE]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:1]
[EDIBLE_VERMIN][EDIBLE_COOKED]
[SEED:red jute seed:red jute seeds:7:0:0:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:SEED]
[SPRING][SUMMER][AUTUMN]
[CLUSTERSIZE:5][FREQUENCY:10][GROWDUR:600]
[PREFSTRING:rugged fibers]
[BIOME:SHRUBLAND_TROPICAL]
[BIOME:GRASSLAND_TROPICAL]
[DRY]

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[PLANT:FLOWER_DOG_BANE] needs canine syndromes
[NAME:dog bane][NAME_PLURAL:dog banes][ADJ:dog bane]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:STRUCTURAL:STRUCTURAL_PLANT_TEMPLATE]
[EDIBLE_VERMIN]
[BASIC_MAT:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:STRUCTURAL]
[PICKED_TILE:5][PICKED_COLOR:2:0:0]
[VALUE:2]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:THREAD:THREAD_PLANT_TEMPLATE]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:2]
[THREAD:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:THREAD]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SEED:SEED_TEMPLATE]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:1]
[EDIBLE_VERMIN][EDIBLE_COOKED]
[SEED:dogbane seed:dogbane seeds:6:0:0:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:SEED]
[SUMMER][AUTUMN]
[CLUSTERSIZE:5][FREQUENCY:10][GROWDUR:500]
[PREFSTRING:poisonous nature]
[BIOME:ANY_TEMPERATE_BROADLEAF]
[SAVAGE]
[WET][DRY]

I'll test these out after I get some sleep.

[nonobots]

Heh, the truth is that Giant Elephants are just a bit too large.  Giant critters are generally twice the size of their normal counterparts, whereas mature Giant Elephants (better described as Colossal Elephants) are roughly 30 times larger than a fully grown elephant.  I'm almost certain this was a mistake.

30 times bigger than an elephant is one heck of a big creature. 5 to 10 times would make for impressive but more manageable ones.

The only thing I can think of for the seeds is that those plants had an odd placement of the seed tokens.  These are the new raws for those:

I'll try that. I can just update in my saved games files right? I do not need to regen?
I'll update to tell you if it solves the problem.

[SethCreiyd]

Yeah, I was going for three times the size.  Thirty times an elephant is like five or six Blue Whales.

Version 0.21 is uploaded here since DFFD isn't working.

Now that it is working, here is the direct DFFD link.

Spoiler: Changelog (click to show/hide)

Version 0.21

- Some old redundant creature files snuck in to new archive, this was fixed
- Changed some cluster/population values
- [LIKES_FIGHTING] added to Workers/Soldiers of giant casted insects
- Body sizes modified for giant casted insects (different sizes by caste)
- Properties of certain vermin insects modified (butterflies no longer swarm, disturbable wasp nests and the like)
- Kola Nut Oil properly assigned PLANT_OIL_TEMPLATE
- Corrected plural names for some fish, Conches granted seperate genders
- Red Grapes now actually red, Black Piranha display color changed, extra chitin colors for Lobster
- Descriptor_pattern_ff.txt added
- Removed yellow jacket and hornet wax
- Fixed seed tokens for Flax, Jute and Dogbane
- Giant Elephants reduced in size
- [PREFIX:NONE] added to various plant products to fix redundant display names
- Redwood lumber now brown-red, made rarer
- Vanilla updated and moved to plant_flower_ff.txt
- Colors and tiles changed for certain tree fruits

Anyway, the changes to existing plants by themselves shouldn't really require a regen.  If you still can't plant them, have you embarked across separate regions?  I've noticed that you can only plant the kinds of surface plants that actually grow on the surface of the region you have the farm plot, so if that's the case, maybe moving the farm plot will help.

I've still noticed the occasional world-gen crash after a hundred years or so go by.  I'll have to check each file one-by-one and narrow down what's causing the problem.  I really hope it isn't simply too much data for the game to handle.  The creature files don't slow world-gen down in the slightest, but even one extra plant file cuts the speed tremendously.  Despite this, there was still one crash when only the creature files were loaded.  It'll probably take some time to fix, hopefully not very much time.

_{Edit:  Links updated}

[nonobots]

Yeah, I was going for three times the size.  Thirty times an elephant is like five or six Blue Whales.

Now you just have to do the Giant Blue Whales.

Version 0.21

Anyway, the changes to existing plants by themselves shouldn't really require a regen.  If you still can't plant them, have you embarked across separate regions?  I've noticed that you can only plant the kinds of surface plants that actually grow on the surface of the region you have the farm plot, so if that's the case, maybe moving the farm plot will help.

Started a new world anyway, I had this fortress completely dedicated to processing meat thanks to the giant elephant but nothing more to process.

Haven't had any cloth plants yet.

Weird stuff in this world though: the first level caves are covered with brain tissue. The stuff is everywhere, could it be a bug in your raws?

Edit: second world, same problem. Took me a while to get there I needed to get through an aquifer. The place is functional anyway, there's plants and mushrooms. Just very creepy to have these brain tissue littering the place. I also noticed that it JIGGLES. It's very very disturbing. The stuff grows naturally, there's some around my farms.

I've still noticed the occasional world-gen crash after a hundred years or so go by.  I'll have to check each file one-by-one and narrow down what's causing the problem.  I really hope it isn't simply too much data for the game to handle.  The creature files don't slow world-gen down in the slightest, but even one extra plant file cuts the speed tremendously.  Despite this, there was still one crash when only the creature files were loaded.  It'll probably take some time to fix, hopefully not very much time.

Good luck with that, and keep it up! This mod is awesome. If there's anything you think needs testing just ask away.

Edit: added details about the brain tissue bug.

[SethCreiyd]

Working on the crash issue.  Despite the slowdown issue, the plants don't appear to cause the crashing, so I'll be adding various creature raws to the mix until I find out which one kills the game.

edit:  Spoke a bit too soon here.  The newly optimized raws result in fewer crashes, but plants are still causing them in world gen.  This is a very annoying problem to fix because the crashes are infrequent, apparently random, and don't leave any error messages.  Work continues.  I still hope this is a problem on the mods end and not an issue with DF handling large volumes of plants.  Regarding this:

It took a little bit of time to sort out exactly how to store the information and how much resolution we could get away with in terms of specific items and materials. I have a yearly crop cycle working in world gen now to test it out, and it is able to track the amounts of plants specifically throughout the world's sites -- in a mod with hundreds of crops it might have to abstract it away to "edible plant from location A" etc. They need to eat their food now, and it became clear that the first transfer of goods we'll need is some food for the newly founded villages while they wait for their initial planting to grow.

It's probably not DF though, a careful perusal of the plants shows many are missing material values for the plant structure, and if I overlooked that I probably overlooked something else.  I'm also going to reset the growing seasons of surface plants and eliminate the grow duration tokens and see if that affects anything.

The only good news right now is that the new creature files haven't yet caused a crash by themselves.  I really have no idea what the problem is and shall proceed to stab away at the dark until hitting something.

Weird stuff in this world though: the first level caves are covered with brain tissue. The stuaven't yet ff is everywhere, could it be a bug in your raws?

Edit: second world, same problem. Took me a while to get there I needed to get through an aquifer. The place is functional anyway, there's plants and mushrooms. Just very creepy to have these brain tissue littering the place. I also noticed that it JIGGLES. It's very very disturbing. The stuff grows naturally, there's some around my farms.

I'm afraid that's there intentionally - one of the mod's evil grasses.

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[PLANT:BRAIN_GRASS]
[ALL_NAMES:brain tissue]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:STRUCTURAL:BRAIN_TEMPLATE]
[BASIC_MAT:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:STRUCTURAL]
[GRASS]
[GRASS_TILES:242:243:169:170]
[ALT_GRASS_TILES:243:242:170:169]
[ALT_PERIOD:200:100]
[GRASS_COLORS:0:0:1:0:0:1:7:0:1:7:0:0]
[WET]
[DRY]
[EVIL]
[BIOME:SUBTERRANEAN_CHASM]
[UNDERGROUND_DEPTH:1:3]

I believe Toady One said himself that evil regions should be unhappy places to live, or something to that effect.  If the brain matter is showing up outside evil caves though, well, that's not intentional.

[SuicideJunkie]

Big thread, didn't see hits on a search tho:
Could/Do you have some plants with a low boiling point, such that they will liquefy or evaporate in most climates and can thus only be eaten by forts in cold or frozen areas?
Are there any (presumably high value) plants which require a year or more to grow?
What about fixed-temperature plants?  Flash-freezing water by dropping an ice berry in, boiling off water or setting things alight with a nukefruit.

[SethCreiyd]

Big thread, didn't see hits on a search tho:
Could/Do you have some plants with a low boiling point, such that they will liquefy or evaporate in most climates and can thus only be eaten by forts in cold or frozen areas?
Are there any (presumably high value) plants which require a year or more to grow?
What about fixed-temperature plants?  Flash-freezing water by dropping an ice berry in, boiling off water or setting things alight with a nukefruit.

Magical stuff like that should be possible.  The nether-cap is one such plant from vanilla, though it's not cold enough to freeze the water it falls in (like an ice cube doesn't actually freeze most of the water around it).  More extremes of temperatures can freeze pretty well.

Extremely high-temp plants should probably only grow in a desert or something like that, where they won't immediately set fire to everything around them.  This could mean some fun if the wagon spawns on top of one, so it should probably be an evil biome thing.  They'd have some fine uses though.

Anyway, the root of the crashing problem seems to be that one of the more recent updates turned the plant files into a stealthily horrible mess.  Rather than pasting over a backup I'm going to take this opportunity to do a rewrite of those raws and iron out whatever problems I come across (I've already crossed more than a few).

I hope to have this finished sometime today.  Unfortunately, [GROWDUR] is one of the tags I'm getting rid of until all the kinks are worked out (later to put realistic values in), so for this release at least, outdoor crops will have fixed growth rates like those of vanilla plants.

[scion-of-fenrir]

Didn't see any reports when i skimmed, so I figured I'd let you know.

You left out the [CASTE_NAME:] Tag on the Giant Bandicoot, so it shows up as a "Nothing" until examined (i.e. "Nothing" Cage).

Otherwise, fantastic mod!

[SethCreiyd]

Thanks!  I fixed that up right before wrapping this version up.

Version .22 is up at DFFD.

Spoiler: Changelog (click to show/hide)

Version 0.22

- Fixed servals/caracals from being mashed together in the raws
- Coyote max age reduced, size adjusted
- Changed okapi prefstring and lowered insulation of fur
- Organized a few of the zoo raws
- Sun Bears renamed Honey Bears, adjusted size, pet value, added vermin hunter token
- Rewrote raws for casted giant insects
- Removed eggs from cave turtles and earth men until proven stable
- Revised Tree Fern biomes
- Corrected mango and licorice display name plurals
- Provided shrub tiles and differentiated tile colors for subterranean plants
- Tea plants now found in non-savage grasslands
- Raised value of spearmint
- Removed some grasses until proven stable
- Brontothere now grazes
- Some plant, wine and jelly display colors fixed
- Daffodil syndromes added
- Standardized plant values and those of related products
- Fixed rose petals tile and display color
- Green leaves given proper color settings
- Peanut and soybean plants now handle pressing correctly
- Manticore speech adjusted
- Some descriptions and prefstrings changed
- Zoo critters migrated into _ff raws, blank zoo files left for overwrites
- Adjusted clutch sizes for various snakes
- Removed fixed temperature, body appearance modifiers from Air Men, changed corpse item, raised natural dodge skill
- Barghest/water dragon rage tokens fixed
- Biome information added for Centaurs, [BUILDINGDESTROYER:1] added
- Forest Imps no longer mischievious or talkative, increased cluster number
- Golden Goose removed until confirmed working
- Some Megabeast and Semimegabeast skillsets adjusted
- Zombies removed in anticipation of new version (they were buggy anyway)
- Added leprechauns, added missing nymph biome info
- Removed [IMMOLATE] from Phoenix (it already ignites stuff near it)
- Reduced size of Phoenix, made it Semi-megabeast, removed ignite points to prevent them from self-destructing
- Removed [FLIER] from Shadow Man, raised dodge skill
- Spirits of Fire no longer seek lairs
- Tweaked Star Shambler attacks, modified syndrome, decreased swim speed
- Removed Titans and Vampires
- Complete rewrite of plant raws, now follow standard formats
- Caste names fixed for Bandicoot variations (thanks scion-of-fenrir)

This version should be smoother for anyone having issues previously.  The plant raws have been completely redone to match the format of the standard DF plants, and I simplified a lot of the biome settings.  GROWDUR will have to be set back later.

The new version isn't save compatible and will require a regen, sorry.  Thankfully I haven't had it crash in worldgen yet and I hope it stays that way.  I came across a number of redundancies and errors here and there that weren't showing up in the errorlog but nonetheless could have been causing problems.  I took care of all those, and now I'm going to play a chocolate processing fort to make sure everything works right.

Let me know if any issues still pop up.  The plant rewrite was a long time coming and I'm glad it's done with, so next time I have to dive in there everything should be much easier to find.

Spoiler: Edit:  Here's a better brain grass: (click to show/hide)

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[PLANT:BRAIN_GRASS]
[ALL_NAMES:brain tissue]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:STRUCTURAL:BRAIN_TEMPLATE]
[BASIC_MAT:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:STRUCTURAL]
[GRASS]
[GRASS_TILES:247:126:126:247]
[ALT_GRASS_TILES:126:247:247:126]
[ALT_PERIOD:500:250]
[GRASS_COLORS:7:0:0:0:0:1:7:0:1:7:0:0]
[WET]
[DRY]
[EVIL]
[BIOME:SUBTERRANEAN_CHASM]
[UNDERGROUND_DEPTH:1:3]

Edit again:  Yep, brain grass shows up well outside of evil caves.  Guess they'll be unbracketed for now.

[Ibid Straydrink]

<3

Thank you so much, Sethcreiyd. I don't know if I've said this before, but yours is just the sort of MOD that DF needs.

By the way, did bandicoots ever make it in?

[SethCreiyd]

<3

Thank you so much, Sethcreiyd. I don't know if I've said this before, but yours is just the sort of MOD that DF needs.

By the way, did bandicoots ever make it in?

You're very welcome!  Bandicoots are indeed there, with giant and bipedal cousins.

Just a little update this time, fixing a few concerns left over from the previous one.  Version 0.22b up at DFFD.

edit:  Updated to .22c, fixing tapir caste names and air man materials.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Version 0.22c

- Fixed missing caste name for tapir
- Fixed air man material properties when not in gaseous state

Version 0.22b

- Improved evil grass appearance and animation, but removed until they work right
- Giant Beetle tile and description corrected
- Made Garter Snakes green
- Earth men returned with fixed pop ratio
- Removed malfunctioning good and evil grasses
- Replaced broken extra and fanciful plants files with blanks until fixed

Update:  due to this bug I will not be updating this mod until after the next release of Dwarf Fortress.  I will start working on a Fauna-only package when time allows.

[Jake]

This being one of the very, very few mods I absolutely will not play DF without, I'm curious about whether it's been tested with the new version yet. I can't do so myself at the moment because my gaming rig is currently unavailable, and worldgen on an EeePC was painful enough in previous editions.

[SethCreiyd]

I'm working on it.     I've had extra time since my own gaming PC had a meltdown, and raws are a good way to pass it.

The plants should easily work with 34.02.  In fact, the old extra-plants-cause-worldgen-crash appears to be gone now.  Creatures, however, need a bit of work.

The list of animals is smaller since many of them have been officially made by Toady One, and some of the body parts were in need of rearranging.  I assigned some of the new tags (the FF owls and raptors will all dive for prey, more or less) and transmogrified a few critters (oftomh, the FF Rattlesnakes are now Sidewinders, and Komodo Dragons are now Monitor Dragons instead of Giant Monitor Lizards (Toady's Giant Monitor is missing the toxic bite, they can't be true Dragons!).)

Some of the old megabeasts like Manticores and Phoenixes are crashing world-gen at times, I'm not sure why it is but it might be related to an old megabeast-related crash I remember Deon writing about sometime.  Either way, they have to be remade, maybe as ordinary monsters.  Future updates will focus more on implementing creatures from real-world mythology, but I should have the 34.02 version up in a matter of days with some fun new stuff.

And thank you Jake, I feel very complimented. 

[wp]

If I'm just wanting to age the flora and not the fauna, how would I go about doing that. Can I just add the files that have plants listed or are the plant files need other files installed to work correctly?

Thanks for you work.