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[blackmagechill]

I play mixmod which means I have to play ASCII. It looks ugly though. I like using Ironhands or Phobeus' graphic set because it looks nice. Every once in a while I'll load up Maydays and look at it for simplicity (seriously that one is the bare minimum above ASCII.). I can switch  between both too.

[Dwarf]

I changed to a square ASCII tileset but that's it.

[Oglokoog]

I actually use 16x20 or 16x24 tiles.  It helps make the text look better, plus it's a little bit easier to see.  I would use 24x24, but my monitor's max horizontal resolution is 1280.  I've just gotten used to the disproportion to the point where it looks weird if a "square" is actually "square".

Whoa. I tried to get used to the default, non-square set for a LONG time, but couldn't.

[Creamcorn]

I'm just going to sum up my opinion right now.

Until DF is able to show unique features of creatures, movement, wounds, emotions and other various such things, I will oppose setting the game to use only those graphics. WHY!? WHY!? Because those new fangled generation kids won't know the meaning of good graphics, that's why. Also, just about anything can be called overrated now a days.

[Zollarr]

Original graphics since 2009, and still running today.

[Craftling]

Never used a graphic set. Ive decided they dont look as good If that makes sense.

[dennislp3]

I didn't read every post but perhaps it was asked....

isn't the ASCII set technically a graphics set of its own? I know its merely semantics but I cant help but ask when everyone uses that term to distinguish the difference between sets 

[ECrownofFire]

Oh sure, it's technically a graphics set of its own, but it's really just a slightly modified extended ASCII, right?

[Tarran]

Used to be a tilesetter, doing Ranting Rodent's tileset. It was too detailed for me.

Then I swiched back to ASCII, loved it. But it was not detailed enough for me.

Finally settled on Dorten's tileset.

[NW_Kohaku]

I didn't read every post but perhaps it was asked....

isn't the ASCII set technically a graphics set of its own? I know its merely semantics but I cant help but ask when everyone uses that term to distinguish the difference between sets 

Basically, yes.  It is a graphics tileset, but some people would actually prefer to play an "ASCII" game because of nostalgia, elitism, or else they just can't be bothered to find another tileset they like, so they just use the default (which I suppose you could call "inertia").

When you look at the threads like "Complete Graphics Overhaul" though, you can find a small strain of an undercurrent that there is a fear that making the game look too good will make the game too popular, which in turn will make it "It's Popular, Now It Sucks".  (Not that every ASCII user follows this mentality, but I have seen claims like "The only thing that can kill DF is full graphics support")

[dennislp3]

I didn't read every post but perhaps it was asked....

isn't the ASCII set technically a graphics set of its own? I know its merely semantics but I cant help but ask when everyone uses that term to distinguish the difference between sets 

Basically, yes.  It is a graphics tileset, but some people would actually prefer to play an "ASCII" game because of nostalgia, elitism, or else they just can't be bothered to find another tileset they like, so they just use the default (which I suppose you could call "inertia").

When you look at the threads like "Complete Graphics Overhaul" though, you can find a small strain of an undercurrent that there is a fear that making the game look too good will make the game too popular, which in turn will make it "It's Popular, Now It Sucks".  (Not that every ASCII user follows this mentality, but I have seen claims like "The only thing that can kill DF is full graphics support")

Sadly that is something I see way to much as well..the elitism thing bugs the hell out of me...and no not everyone acts that way and i hold no grudges...I just dont get what makes those select few better lol

[Christes]

One argument I've heard is that making DF support more graphics makes it more popular, which ruins our little community here.  (There
is probably some truth here, but as long as DF stays the same game, the hordes of the internet will not overwhelm us)

I have actually started using a custom ASCII-style square tileset and I really like it:

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It's Kaishaku's tileset modified to give the walls dithering.

[Creamcorn]

Considering how fun DF can be, I'm a bit surprised that players don't believe that at some point there's going be a huge wave of migrants new users to this forum. They probably won't appreciate DF the way we do but then again; they're obviously just looking for a fun game and not the DF experience all players share right now.

When it comes to that time the new players will probably be something like... whiners, heavy graphic set users, "y no 3d?", "how do i do 'X?' (times infintium)", "ascii is X", "X users are Y", "this game is X", "why doesn't Toady_One X?" Ect, ect, ect. Though, it will probably be like this for the first few, I don't know... seven? Eight? Ten maybe? Waves of new players, but it will be a good thing. More money for Bay12, attention, influence too, and in the long run, I'm sure something will come along that will finally get DF moving at the pace it demands/deserves.

I will admit, using ASCII does give one a hint of elitism but let's face. Everyone has different tastes and priorities. Until some dick tries to draw lines between the way people play this incredibly flexible game, I won't/don't have a problem with graphical tileset users who are again, just playing a game.

[Tormy]

When it comes to that time the new players will probably be something like... whiners, heavy graphic set users, "y no 3d?", "how do i do 'X?' (times infintium)", "ascii is X", "X users are Y", "this game is X", "why doesn't Toady_One X?" Ect, ect, ect. Though, it will probably be like this for the first few, I don't know... seven? Eight? Ten maybe? Waves of new players, but it will be a good thing. More money for Bay12, attention, influence too, and in the long run, I'm sure something will come along that will finally get DF moving at the pace it demands/deserves.

This just won't happen. We've talked about this exact same stuff 3-4 years ago. [~2006/2007] Many users thought that this is whats gonna happen in the next 1-2 years, but they were wrong. I think that people won't register here, just to whine about the lack of gfx support and stuff like that. It's pointless.

PS. When Toady will need more money, he will improve the interface & separates txt/gfx in the engine...[Even Toady has mentioned this a long a time ago. ]

[ECrownofFire]

It's inevitable that Bay12 will eventually be flooded with more people, there's already been a huge increase in 2010 alone. If you look at the statistics, there's been over 6000 new members in 2010 so far, versus 4866 in all of 2009. We're on track to get more than ten thousand new users in this year, which is double that of 2009. The total number of posts and topics is also on track to almost double. One day, when DF gets an interface overhaul, we're going to have to deal with the new users. I'm just going to get a quick list together of how many waves DF will go through in updates.

• Multithreading (This will be a HUGE one, this one is really needed too)
• Interface (Rather large)
• Graphics (Sadly, this one will be huge)
• Realistic Gravity
• Moving Fortresses (Rather large)
• Magic (This will be a big one)

That's not even including any major updates like improved sieges, improved mechanics, and so many others.