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[CautionToTheWind]

I have the militia commander, the squad, the training orders, the equipment equipped on the dwarves, crossbows, quivers and bolts in the quivers. They just do individual training by the archery targets. Is there any way to make this work?

[charred_gp]

You might have forgotten to set the archery targets. IIRC hit q, then highlight it and make an archery range (like you would any other room) and set the direction. When it says right to left, up to down etc, it means shooter position to target, so left to right should look like this

X=Target
D=Dwarf
W=Wall
#=Floor

WWWWWWWWW
W###D####XW
W###D####XW
W###D####XW
WWWWWWWWW

[Pacho]

Heh, ever since the military change I have never been able to get marksdwarves to train with their crossbows either.  at least not to shoot with.

Ammo for training set and available, as well as quivers, archery targets (designated for training, etc) with ammo in the same room and all.

they spend all their time learning to dodge and to bash baddies with their crossbows.

[CautionToTheWind]

I have done all that is suggested above and even some things that you didn't suggest and it does not work. My question was if there anyone had managed to get them to shoot at the damm targets, because i can find the wiki myself, thanks.

The only answer i got was a no. It didn't work for Pacho, it doesn't work for me, and it seems to me that it is unthinkable that this crap got through testing for the April 1st release. Did not a single tester remember that marksdwarves exist? And then this crap should have been the top top top priority but here we are, months later, and even fucking adventure mode features got added instead of fixing these bugs.

Its un-fucking-believable. Toady, i know you are raking it in and everything looks groovy in spite of your lack of results. However the current way DF is developed, namely that you live off donations, requires a high critical mass of devoted fans that will be very very hard to get back if you lose it once. Also, DF is a game that you need a current player to teach a new player, in the vast majority of cases. Now consider that a lot of ppl have stopped playing until it is playable again, and nobody with 2 brain cells is bringing in new players to the current game state.

I am just one player and my past donation may have been a small amount... But think, for fuck's sake, THINK!

[Capntastic]

Unfortunately, donations don't get you access to the special bug-free version, Caution.  It goes without saying that Toady is working on a very large project and can't fix everything at once, as much as he tries.  At least let him get a full night's sleep after the release before spewing bile on him for not fixing all of the bugs.

There's more productive ways to vent.

[gordy]

Yes! I have managed to get a small squad of marksdwarves to shoot at the targets in the latest version. I'd pretty much given up on it from the previous version (40d?) and just settled for melee dwarves. So all I can say is, a migrant wave arrived with three more or less skilled marksdwarves with ranks in archer, marksdwarf, fighter and armor wearer. I added them to their own squad, build a row of five archery targets from wood and set them to inactive. They grabbed metal armor, quivers and bolts which I had bought with me from my expensive embark. I had set the number of bolts they grabbed to a pretty low number, like 20-30. They did mill around and look like they were waiting for training; even though the iron bolts they had were assigned for combat and training, they didnt start practicing until I made them some wood bolts, and assigned THOSE to them under the ammunition tab. So maybe that's the problem? I have a question though - if I have a row of archery targets and I designate ONE of those as a target shooting left to right ( and set a squad to train there ), do all other archery targets selected in the range become part of the same 'barracks' or do i have to designate each target? I had designated two of the targets and they were both being used simultaneously by the squad, but i dont know if its because one was designated or they both were..?

I also set them to kill some buzzards but I think they ran out of bolts early on and beat them to death with the xbows. I'm not surprised, from all the target practice they had done they probably ran out quickly. How many bolts can a quiver hold?

[Psieye]

But think, for fuck's sake, THINK!

I can tolerate bitterness and I can tolerate incompetence, but not when they're put together. At least you almost entertained me with those words I quoted above. I used the same procedure I described in .04 and it still works. No I'm not going to be helpful and describe it to you in this thread. I don't know whether that's your usual personality or whether you just had a bad day, but it does kill any desire I had to be directly helpful. I'm going to upload the save of this fort (built solely to test archery practice) and explain the procedure in a different thread. Hey I'm being immature right now, I know.

[Misterstone]

Back in April:  Give us a release!  We don't care if it's buggy!  Release release!  Baaawwww!

Now:  NO TOADY!  Fix this bug.  NO!  THIS BUG!  WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THE GAME IS BROKEN UNTIL YOU FIX THIS BUG?  Baaawwww...

S'rsly, the man just spent 40 hours with almost no sleep over the weekend working on this exact issue and related ones, so even if you aren't  a jerk he already seems to be quite motivated to fix outstanding bugs.  Also, you're wrong and the marksdwarves do in fact train at targets now if you are patient and know how to set it up.

[Noble Digger]

My first thought was "what a penis" but upon reconsideration, he's probably just frustrated and needs a nap. You are not alone, little forum-whiner! But never forget that DF is primarily worked on by one human person. Ask yourself what you think you're accomplishing by using disrespectful language with that one person.

[MaDeR Levap]

Yeah, this is fustrating, but I would use (and used) less harsh words. Meh, a little more wait is bearable - especially that it seems now to be possible to train marksdwarves with some workarounds (before 31.10 it was AFAIK nigh impossible). Ah well, time to wait for 31.11, where marksdwarves will shoot on archery and in battle when they are supposed right out of the box, without spells, dances and bloody sacrifices for Armok.

[nil]

I do agree that the military should be more smoothed out before adding any more features. 

I just upgraded to .10 and, ironically, only now have I begun experiencing the obnoxious equipment bugs where half my trained dwarves run into battle sans equipment, while the rest all carry three shields. I suppose I don't really begrudge Toady adding a couple of adventurer skills to keep from going crazy with boredom, but soldiers should be at least as functional as they were in .40 before diving into a whole new arc.  It isn't too much to ask to have the basic functionality of a previous version.

That said, Misterstone is absolutely right.  The forum community wanted the new version as soon as possible, no matter the bugs.  You can't really blame Toady for giving us exactly what we asked for, good and hard.

[Shrugging Khan]

Stop it, white knights. The great toady is surely above our petty human emotions and simply considers the OP a simple complaint rather than bitchy whining, as you do.

Be glad the OP is here! Celebrate our togetherness! The more, the merrier, and if some of the more are angry instead of merry, then just let them be angry! Armok le vult!

[Mckee]

No offence to the OP, but Toady is one bloke and he has put together more than I ever could (How many of us can say otherwise?). Acting like he owes you an immediate bug fix and his first born child is rude and not very productive. The game is free, he can do what he likes, and its not as if he has actively sabotaged marksdwarves, its a bug, an unintended problem. It will be fixed and if you look at the improvements from the first release of this 'version' 0.31... whatever, to now, he's done a lot, and we can assume the issues will iron themselves out shortly.

Its playable without marksdwarves, there are a multitude of possible work arounds or possible fixes. Be patient and cheer up.

[Makbeth]

I know how you feel, Caution.  I have canceled the submission of quite a few posts like yours (and failed to cancel others).  I've tried to make a rule to at least wait an hour or two before posting about this or that thing that shouldn't/should be in the game but is/isn't.

Yes, Toady's preference for adding new features before fixing existing ones is infuriating, especially when those additions take a feature that worked in 40d and kill it, psycho-stab it, cut it into little pieces, and force-feed it to its family members.  Yes, I've wished that the code were open so I could try to mod my own fixes in for things I didn't like (the new channeling, allowed FB materials, etc.).  Yes, I wonder why it took 10 versions to get a military that now almost doesn't get wiped out as soon as anything more dangerous than a particularly bad-tempered celery stalk decides to attack it (wait, do FBs come in vegetable form?). 

But because Toady is the worldly avatar of Armok, we have no choice but to wait and see what he does next, and it's possible that antagonizing him may make him less responsive to requests to fix whichever isssue is the game-breaking bug of the day.

I've found that the best pattern to adopt is to play 40d until playing 2010 seems like a good idea (usually this occurs on the release of a new version), play 2010 for about 20 to 300 minutes, curse Toady's name, take a break (DO NOT post on the forums during this part, and don't even think about emailing Toady), and then go back to playing 40d and repeat.  Over the long term, I've noticed that the tolerable span of time during which one can continue to play 2010 slowly increases.  Eventually this span of time will be equal to the life cycle of a fortress and reaching the cursing phase will become a rare occurrence.

[mnjiman]

Caution I want to rip you a new one for the way you treat Toady.

All im going to do is point to you to all the bug fixes hes been focusing on.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Crash fixes
   (*) fixed crash on abandon related to having a box/cabinet building assigned to somebody
   (*) fixed crash from using nearly spent soap bars to clean people
   (*) fixed up crash from scrolling over globs in stock screen if certain fats were present
   (*) SDL mode image export crash fixed (Baughn)
   (*) fixed cursor position on farm season selection (possible crash)

Major bug fixes
   (*) made dwarves that initiate individual training recognize when they are no longer doing so properly
   (*) stopped dwarves from swapping out their equipment for newly made items of equal value
   (*) stopped dwarves from assigning equipment from caravans or unforbidden possessions held by outsiders
      also incoming woodcutters/miners/etc.
   (*) stopped dwarves from being assigned large equipment
   (*) added default trade capacity to creatures to stop near-infinite caravan goods from being added to certain creatures
   (*) fixed material template values causing many natural creatures to be very squishy and underpowered

Other bug fixes/tweaks
   (*) 2D mode colors fixed (Baughn)
   (*) curses mode color initialization fixed (Baughn)
   (*) sound header fix (Baughn)
   (*) fixed temporary pathing problems that came from digging out brook tiles (negative construction distance etc.)
   (*) fixed deletion for zones that have all their tiles removed
   (*) fixed problem stopping hospital zones that have some tiles deleted from updating their furniture assignments
   (*) removed forest temperature dampening for artificially hot worlds
   (*) fixed some duplicate tags and other issues in the raws (see file_changes.txt)
   (*) graphical map export should be back in the SDL versions
Crash fixes
   (*)fixed potential crash with container reactions
   (*)stopped arena mode from caving in/locking up when you leave control mode

Major bug fixes
   (*)made material-based random headless beasts killable
   (*)stuckin bleeding updated properly
   (*)fixed major artery tag when added from creature raw with TL_MAJOR_ARTERIES (also TL_CONNECTS)
   (*)made major artery strike for 25%+ fractures on major artery parts mandatory
   (*)amplified effects for announced major artery strikes
   (*)fixed swing velocity calculation for weapons
   (*)fixed clothing size calculation (messed up shields, gloves, boots)
   (*)changed contact area and size for bolts
   (*)fixed blowouts in giant creature wrestling
   (*)fixed weird skill/profession mixup that stopped marksdwarves from firing on enemies
   (*)freed up some ammo that became lost in limbo after squad deletion/ammo reassignments/etc.
   (*)made hunters grab ammo more reliably when they run out or when labor is changed
   (*)fixed reordering of reaction/ore mats and a few other indexing problems between operating systems

Other bug fixes/tweaks
   (*)reworded some combat announcements
   (*)fixed reaction screen product display error
   (*)fixed contact area issue with misc object fighting
   (*)changed dodging rules for people mounting a charge defense
   (*)fixed problem with edge being disregarded too soon after impact breaks
   (*)changed skill effects on firing rate
   (*)changed contact area calculations for body parts
   (*)various changes to weapon raws
   (*)changed edge/impact calculations
   (*)metal values changed in raws
   (*)fixed problems preventing some gut pop-outs from happening
   (*)fixed issue with extra dodge rolls causing shots to become less square
   (*)other combat tweaks
   (*)obliterated arsenal dwarf (position will still exist in old saves, but won't be used/needed)
   (*)extended distance at which hunters are willing to shoot
   (*)made hunters return kills under more circumstances
   (*)allowed miners/woodcutters to switch immediately to hunt labor without getting confused about crossbow
   (*)stopped targeting of benign, far away wilderness creatures after they see you, unless they are close
   (*)force-allowed targeting of kill targets in some cases where it wasn't permitting it
   (*)stopped indiv choice melee/ranged from picking out weapons of the opposite type instead of just preferring them
   (*)fixed problem with custom workshops blanking out at times (save compat iffy here, might have to rebuild shops)
   (*)made reaction job interface/automation check inside barrels/etc. (stuff manager jobs did right)
   (*)changed stuckin chances

Crash fixes
   (*) fixed a zone deletion crash (only for zones with buildings in them)
   (*) fixed crash in military screen upon switching to item assignment view when no squads were present
   (*) fixed crash from copying a schedule cell with fewer orders to one with more
   (*) fixed crash from changing alert view while scrolling through a schedule cells orders

Major bug fixes
   (*) fixed pathing problem (root cause was map generation vs. liquids, would mess up ramps/channels and more)
   (*) stopped missing undead/melted/etc. tissues holding parts from being severed

It is literally fifty times more then the new items he has added recently.

Relax, just wait things will get done in time