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[Urist McDepravity]

You're not going to get a spearhead that's wider than a person's waist, you can trust me on that one.

Well, I didn't test it on sapient creatures, just occured while I was gathering bodies for butcher testing:

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You stab The Groundhog in the right front leg with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Groundhog in the head with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Groundhog in the left front leg with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Groundhog in the left front leg with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Groundhog in the lower body with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Groundhog in the lower body with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Groundhog in the left rear leg with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Groundhog in the head with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Buzzard in the head with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Buzzard in the right wing with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Buzzard in the right upper leg with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Buzzard in the right lower leg with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Buzzard in the right wing with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Hoary Marmot in the lower body with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Hoary Marmot in the left front paw with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Hoary Marmot in the guts with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Mountain Goat in the guts with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!

[Nil Eyeglazed]

unfortunately, dwarfs are still upgrading their left gauntlets with higher quality right gauntlets

[Josephus]

You're not going to get a spearhead that's wider than a person's waist, you can trust me on that one.

Well, I didn't test it on sapient creatures, just occured while I was gathering bodies for butcher testing:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

You stab The Groundhog in the right front leg with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Groundhog in the head with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Groundhog in the left front leg with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Groundhog in the left front leg with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Groundhog in the lower body with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Groundhog in the lower body with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Groundhog in the left rear leg with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Groundhog in the head with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Buzzard in the head with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Buzzard in the right wing with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Buzzard in the right upper leg with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Buzzard in the right lower leg with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Buzzard in the right wing with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Hoary Marmot in the lower body with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Hoary Marmot in the left front paw with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Hoary Marmot in the guts with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!
You stab The Mountain Goat in the guts with your copper spear and the severed part sails off in an arc!

Well, it probably depends on how big the groundhog is.

[Dante]

Well, it probably depends on how big the groundhog is.

And whether it's biting you with its entire face.

[G-Flex]

Yeah, doing it to a groundhog makes more sense, although it's still rather odd.

[Dante]

Man, there is no sweeter sight than that of sixteen ogres waling on a bronze collosus with steel daggers and turning it into a big bronze statue of, um, a pixie.

But yeah, the bit where it died was sweet.

[nil]

Also, seems spears are bugged. Many of my strikes with spear result in severed bodyparts, such as heads or even lower body's.

Does this ever happen when the body part has never been hit before, or does it apply only to already wounded parts?  We did get cumulative damage this update, and a spear could realistically (albeit gruesomely) dismember a major body part with enough strikes.

[RabidRabbit]

Awesome. I noticed one thing though, bolts are insanely deadly. Copper bolts tear through "blue metal" armor like butter. Sure this is supposed to happen?

He he, every version will have its problems.  You could try reducing the velocity in the item_weapon file, but I'm not sure how much that'll help before they can't penetrate anything.  We continue to spiral down toward proper behavior.

Been testing w/ dwarves shooting at each other in arena - each equipped w/ a full suit of metal armor, iron crossbow, and metal bolts:

Changing SHOOT_MAXVEL from the crossbow entry from '1000' to '30' results in slightly more reasonable behavior.  Material doesn't seem to matter anymore, and iron/steel/blue bolts will pierce iron/steel/blue armor roughly 1 out of every 3-5 shots.  Changing it to '10' is too low, where anything not a neck shot is harmless, and '50' is still high enough to penetrate any armor all the time.

Also, is it just me, or do bolts have a better chance to penetrate on subsequent shots after the first wound?  Does it have something to do w/ the target falling down, or the armor weakening after letting the first bolt through, or am I just imagining things?

[Sinistar]

I think I'll download .09 just to embark with 100+ puppies and wait till autumn.

[KaelGotDwarves]

You're not going to get a spearhead that's wider than a person's waist, you can trust me on that one.

It's just not called a spear anymore

[yarr]

Any news on .10 ? Will it still come "tonight"?

[Miko19]

So, what's next on your plans, Toady?

[Catastrophic lolcats]

Decided to try my hand at MSpaint drawings in the spirit of this event

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Okay due to the speed of Toady this is rather useless and the large amount of grammar and spelling mistakes saddens me greatly

[Toady One]

Dont you think x should be added to the list of keybindings?

Ah, yeah, if you are talking about the manual page, I haven't added an adv key for a while, and totally forgot.  It'll be in 0.31.10.

To be sure, the only knapping product currently is sharp rocks?

Yeah, I didn't get to the scrapers, chisels and daggers that we might end up having when we get to clothes-making.  I thought I would be able to squeeze in a little bit more back when I added it, but it ended up being just the lone thing, sadly.

Hmm, got it to crash as I was trying to select training ammo for my lone crossbowdwarf in the military screen. Was this a pre-existing bug? I vaguely remember having heard of it.

There have been crashes floating around that screen, but it's possible we've got a new one too.  Hopefully reproduction steps will find their way to the tracker over time.

Anyone else have their macros run /really/ slowly?

I changed MACRO_MS from 15 to 150 in the init, as part of the fixes that Baughn did to some bug there, but I'm not actually sure what the number should be.  You could try changing it and see if it makes a difference.  If this is the right variable and there's a rough consensus for some default, we can set it to whatever.

Changing SHOOT_MAXVEL from the crossbow entry from '1000' to '30' results in slightly more reasonable behavior.

30 is slower than a punch in the game, and 1000 is much faster (I think they are usually around 70 to 100?  I'd have to go check again), and I don't think it is getting reduced much below 1000 by the bolt weight, if at all, though the force parameter should do something there.  I'm not sure what an average punch speed is compared to a bolt speed in real life, but if we had sensible values there we could locate the other problems in the system more efficiently, since the velocity is one of the things that is easier to treat as an absolute starting point.

Any news on .10 ? Will it still come "tonight"?

I'm almost done with it.  Mac compile is ongoing.  That usually takes about an hour.  The rest of them are ready, then I just need to upload/etc.  I probably shouldn't say it'll be up soon unless something weird happens, because last time I said that the forum got blasted.

So, what's next on your plans, Toady?

Sleeping myself will be an important part of it, but I'll probably write something up on the dev log about the next-next release.  I've got email catch-up and other B12 stuff to do that is piling up, so it might be pretty quiet for a few days, unless some of it continues to get put off.

[Torham]

I have done some research on the net.
Average punch velocity = ~ 7.3 m/s.
Average Crossbow bolt velocity(modern crossbow) = ~ 34.1 m/s.

assuming these values are close to reality, crossbow bolt velocity should be around 4.6 times faster than punch.