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Re: Gold weapon?
« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2010, 11:19:38 am »

Well warhammers don't have, you know, edges or whatnot. It's not a fragile design. It's a hunk of metal you smash things with.

Have you ever seen an actual warhammer? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_hammer

The design isn't "big blunt thing you smack people with". It's still meant to concentrate force effectively, so you wouldn't want it to deform. They even tended to have points on one side.
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« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2010, 11:25:30 am »

To concentrate the force over the non-spike side you'd need a denser material. For that matter it wouldn't even need to be in the actual striking surface, maybe in the middle above the handle. We've already got obsidian short swords that need wood too, so multimaterial weapons are quite plausible. Plus, a gold warhammer is an artifact, so it's probably already covered by this and with spikes of that. :P

- And while that may be a real warhammer, the ones in DF seem to have a pretty dang big striking area. :P
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« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2010, 11:27:34 am »

Well warhammers don't have, you know, edges or whatnot. It's not a fragile design. It's a hunk of metal you smash things with.

Have you ever seen an actual warhammer? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_hammer

The design isn't "big blunt thing you smack people with". It's still meant to concentrate force effectively, so you wouldn't want it to deform. They even tended to have points on one side.
We're talking dwarves here, not warhammers of the human design.
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« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2010, 11:28:49 am »

That's... a really silly statement. Seriously, why would dwarves make giant mallets instead? They wouldn't. It wouldn't make sense to, for the same reasons it wouldn't make sense for humans to make them.


However, there are larger weapons designed more like a sledge. You know what they're called? Mauls. And the game already has them. And for what it's worth, they don't have very much military application.
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Re: Gold weapon?
« Reply #49 on: July 13, 2010, 11:29:21 am »

Well warhammers don't have, you know, edges or whatnot. It's not a fragile design. It's a hunk of metal you smash things with.

Have you ever seen an actual warhammer? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_hammer

The design isn't "big blunt thing you smack people with". It's still meant to concentrate force effectively, so you wouldn't want it to deform. They even tended to have points on one side.
Seems like many particpants are envisioning a mace or a maul rather than a warhammer.
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« Reply #50 on: July 13, 2010, 11:34:17 am »

Right, but a mace generally doesn't work that way either. A mace made to penetrate any sort of armor would likely have, say, flanges on it, and even if it didn't, it generally wouldn't just be an amorphous hunk of metal on a stick, unless we're talking fairly primitive ones.
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« Reply #51 on: July 13, 2010, 11:54:18 am »

I gave my militia commander a gold breastplate. It's not that effective, but what's a spear to the chest for looking good as hell?
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« Reply #52 on: July 13, 2010, 02:04:31 pm »

You don't think dwarves use a maul?
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« Reply #53 on: July 13, 2010, 02:07:23 pm »

In-game: No, they don't. You can't produce them in fortress mode. In 40d, they were also too large for dwarves to wield, although this may (or may not) have changed.

Hypothetically: They very rarely would, for reasons I already stated. Mauls simply don't have much practical application. In addition, they might be even worse for dwarves than they are for humans, since dwarves have little stubby arms that might not be able to make much good use of long, high-leverage weapons like that.
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« Reply #54 on: July 13, 2010, 02:21:35 pm »

If they can dig all day through solid rock, for some reason I don't see why they couldn't use a maul for a few times a year.

And they could use them in Dragon Age/other fantasy games, which is on or above the level of realism of DF.
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« Reply #55 on: July 13, 2010, 04:47:35 pm »

Seriously? You think "most fantasy games" are on the same level of realism as DF?
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« Reply #56 on: July 13, 2010, 06:51:14 pm »

I said at or above.

Aside from the highly complicatedness and water physics, but you don't usually need water physics in games.
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« Reply #57 on: July 13, 2010, 06:58:50 pm »

Did we cover electroplating yet? Does that count?
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« Reply #58 on: July 13, 2010, 07:00:51 pm »

No, but it sounds fun.
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« Reply #59 on: July 13, 2010, 07:02:37 pm »

Well, what would be the effect on an edged weapon if you electroplated it? I'm not so up on my science. I just swing the swords, I don't make them.
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