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[TomiTapio]

Cool tool it is. By any chance could you release a version that looks good on 1920x1080 monitors? That 5 px font is a little hard to read.

Oh, those no-name culled figures? You can turn off the culling of unimportant people, in the worldgen.
[CULL_HISTORICAL_FIGURES:0]

[Knight Otu]

Something that's probably not going to be easy to be tracked, but occasionally, gods have the same name, but are of different civilizations and have different portfolios. For example, I have three dwarven deities named Doren:

  Doren, deity: metals, jewels; in The Curled Dikes
  Doren, deity: mountains; in the Wall of Funerals
  Doren, deity: minerals; in The Glad Lanterns

And the program uses the last one only for all three. As far as I see, the distinction can't be made by originating civilization, since one force can be worshiped by several civilizations, and it can't be made by name plus portfolio, since they might still share the same portfolio after all.

Do you want the files in question?

[Roses]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Unknown Event type!
<historical_event>
<id>3238171</id>
<year>1051</year>
<seconds72>330590</seconds72>
<type>merchant</type>
</historical_event>

Seems to parse fine up until it gets to my game start year, then a raft of those, is Genesis 3.03, 775mb xml, no idea what else might be useful to you, hope thats at least slightly helpful. Otherwise marvellous proggie, i may ofc have done something dumb, it's not beyond me, but afaik i chose the files in the right order, and is fine right up until it gets to the year i started.

Don't know if this is still being developed or what, but I encounter the same problem when trying to use the XML to go past my game start year. In addition to the above message I also get

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

<historical_event>
        <id>935371</id>
        <year>305</year>
        <seconds72>191196</seconds72>
        <type>diplomat lost</type>
        <site_id>253</site_id>
    </historical_event>

I also seemed to get an Unknown error for almost every masterpiece item my site ever made. Clicked through it maybe three or four hundred times.

[ouroborus]

Seems to me that a search feature could be added for finding potential embark sites. I've always thought that the in-game search feature could be at least faster and cover more variables. (Although I guess some things would not be search-able this way as they don't show up in the exportable data; e.g.: volcanoes.)

[Mason11987]

Hey all, just wanted to let everyone know that I'll be working on getting you a lot more details that came from the .31.13 update.  This will be my project tomorrow/this weekend.  I'll also work on some bugfixing and addressing some questions that built up since I last focused on DF.

[Mason11987]

Just noticed that Toady fixed the XML, it now has a header and footer like XML should!  I'm going through and looking for some actual changes.

Also, there is now a lot of stuff in the historical_event_collections and sections (thought all empty so far) in the entity_populations sections.  This should be really cool to work on, an example of something neat in the XML now that wasn't before:

Spoiler: One of hte historical event collections (click to show/hide)

   <historical_event_collection>
      <id>2322</id>
      <start_year>99</start_year>
      <start_seconds72>327600</start_seconds72>
      <end_year>99</end_year>
      <end_seconds72>327600</end_seconds72>
      <event>9217</event>
      <type>battle</type>
      <name>the outrageous siege</name>
      <war_eventcol>1940</war_eventcol>
      <subregion_id>-1</subregion_id>
      <feature_layer_id>-1</feature_layer_id>
      <site_id>22</site_id>
      <coords>7,6</coords>
      <attacking_hfid>813</attacking_hfid>
      <attacking_hfid>1066</attacking_hfid>
      <attacking_squad_race>CAMEL_2_HUMP</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>5</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>-1</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>ELF</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>15</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>10</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>6</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>TIGER</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>6</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>TIGER</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>6</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>JAGUAR</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>6</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>JAGUAR</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>6</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>LEOPARD</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>6</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>ELF</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>15</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>9</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>7</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>BEAR_GRIZZLY</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>1</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>7</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>BEAR_GRIZZLY</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>1</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>7</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>ELF</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>15</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>10</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>15</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>TIGER</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>15</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>TIGER</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>15</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>JAGUAR</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>15</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>JAGUAR</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>15</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>LEOPARD</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>15</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>ELF</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>15</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>10</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>18</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>BEAR_GRIZZLY</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>18</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>BEAR_GRIZZLY</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>18</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>ELF</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>15</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>10</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>24</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>BEAR_GRIZZLY</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>24</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>BEAR_GRIZZLY</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>24</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>ELF</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>15</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>10</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>27</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>BEAR_GRIZZLY</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>27</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>BEAR_GRIZZLY</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>27</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>ELF</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>15</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>10</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>36</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>TIGER</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>36</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>TIGER</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>36</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>JAGUAR</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>36</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>JAGUAR</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>36</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>LEOPARD</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>36</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>ELF</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>15</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>9</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>39</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>BEAR_GRIZZLY</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>1</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>39</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>BEAR_GRIZZLY</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>1</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>39</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>ELF</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>15</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>10</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>42</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>TIGER</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>42</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>TIGER</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>42</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>JAGUAR</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>42</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>JAGUAR</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>42</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>LEOPARD</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>42</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>ELF</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>15</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>9</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>57</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>BEAR_GRIZZLY</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>1</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>57</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>BEAR_GRIZZLY</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>1</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>57</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>ELF</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>15</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>10</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>60</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>BEAR_GRIZZLY</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>60</attacking_squad_site>
      <attacking_squad_race>BEAR_GRIZZLY</attacking_squad_race>
      <attacking_squad_entity_pop>-1</attacking_squad_entity_pop>
      <attacking_squad_number>2</attacking_squad_number>
      <attacking_squad_deaths>0</attacking_squad_deaths>
      <attacking_squad_site>60</attacking_squad_site>
      <outcome>attacker won</outcome>
   </historical_event_collection>

And a few responses:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Unknown Event type!
<historical_event>
<id>3238171</id>
<year>1051</year>
<seconds72>330590</seconds72>
<type>merchant</type>
</historical_event>

Seems to parse fine up until it gets to my game start year, then a raft of those, is Genesis 3.03, 775mb xml, no idea what else might be useful to you, hope thats at least slightly helpful. Otherwise marvellous proggie, i may ofc have done something dumb, it's not beyond me, but afaik i chose the files in the right order, and is fine right up until it gets to the year i started.

Interesting, I hadn't seen that event.  Could you maybe explore legends mode and give me a screenshot if you can see what this event actually means?  Normally I would do that myself but your save looks like it might be too large to transfer.  What if you set the end year to later?

Cool tool it is. By any chance could you release a version that looks good on 1920x1080 monitors? That 5 px font is a little hard to read.

Oh, those no-name culled figures? You can turn off the culling of unimportant people, in the worldgen.
[CULL_HISTORICAL_FIGURES:0]

I'll give it a shot, but it's lower in the list

Something that's probably not going to be easy to be tracked, but occasionally, gods have the same name, but are of different civilizations and have different portfolios. For example, I have three dwarven deities named Doren:

  Doren, deity: metals, jewels; in The Curled Dikes
  Doren, deity: mountains; in the Wall of Funerals
  Doren, deity: minerals; in The Glad Lanterns

And the program uses the last one only for all three. As far as I see, the distinction can't be made by originating civilization, since one force can be worshiped by several civilizations, and it can't be made by name plus portfolio, since they might still share the same portfolio after all.

Do you want the files in question?

Interesting!  I didn't know this was possible.  I think I'll try to identify deities/forces by their name + details + civ, I seriously doubt there could be two DIFFERENT deities of the same areas with the same name worshipped by the same civ.  Thanks for pointing this out.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Unknown Event type!
<historical_event>
<id>3238171</id>
<year>1051</year>
<seconds72>330590</seconds72>
<type>merchant</type>
</historical_event>

Seems to parse fine up until it gets to my game start year, then a raft of those, is Genesis 3.03, 775mb xml, no idea what else might be useful to you, hope thats at least slightly helpful. Otherwise marvellous proggie, i may ofc have done something dumb, it's not beyond me, but afaik i chose the files in the right order, and is fine right up until it gets to the year i started.

Don't know if this is still being developed or what, but I encounter the same problem when trying to use the XML to go past my game start year. In addition to the above message I also get

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

<historical_event>
        <id>935371</id>
        <year>305</year>
        <seconds72>191196</seconds72>
        <type>diplomat lost</type>
        <site_id>253</site_id>
    </historical_event>

I also seemed to get an Unknown error for almost every masterpiece item my site ever made. Clicked through it maybe three or four hundred times.

I've never seen that event either.  If you could send me your save that might be helpful.  Thanks!

Seems to me that a search feature could be added for finding potential embark sites. I've always thought that the in-game search feature could be at least faster and cover more variables. (Although I guess some things would not be search-able this way as they don't show up in the exportable data; e.g.: volcanoes.)

The problem is that I can't really get a lot out of the map.  Because it shows by blocks, which in-game are 16x16 areas, I can't tell you anything about a 4x4 area through this.  In fact almost nothing in the finder I could help with, besides being near caves, or other civs.

[Knight Otu]

Interesting, I hadn't seen that event.  Could you maybe explore legends mode and give me a screenshot if you can see what this event actually means?  Normally I would do that myself but your save looks like it might be too large to transfer.  What if you set the end year to later?

That does seem like it should be the arrival of a merchant caravan at a player fortress. I've seen those engraved before, so it makes sense that it would be an exportable event to.

Interesting!  I didn't know this was possible.  I think I'll try to identify deities/forces by their name + details + civ, I seriously doubt there could be two DIFFERENT deities of the same areas with the same name worshipped by the same civ.  Thanks for pointing this out.

Well, as I said, the same force can be worshiped by different civs if they start in the same area that the force permeates, so it should only be necessary for deities.

[Mason11987]

Interesting, I hadn't seen that event.  Could you maybe explore legends mode and give me a screenshot if you can see what this event actually means?  Normally I would do that myself but your save looks like it might be too large to transfer.  What if you set the end year to later?

That does seem like it should be the arrival of a merchant caravan at a player fortress. I've seen those engraved before, so it makes sense that it would be an exportable event to.

Interesting!  I didn't know this was possible.  I think I'll try to identify deities/forces by their name + details + civ, I seriously doubt there could be two DIFFERENT deities of the same areas with the same name worshipped by the same civ.  Thanks for pointing this out.

Well, as I said, the same force can be worshiped by different civs if they start in the same area that the force permeates, so it should only be necessary for deities.

Agreed, I just hadn't seen it, and when I asked Toady to list all the possible events he didn't list that one (or I missed it).

It's possible I never tried to do this with a world that I've played for a while, so that could definitely be it too.

I treat forces almost the same as deities, so I'll put them in both.  Also, I think two civs have worshiped the same deity for me.

I set up a thread in modding so people can work together to figure out the historical event collections (new addition to the XML!), for anyone interested here is the link

[theqmann]

Any update yet on WorldViewer for .13? I realize now that I don't have it how much I've come to rely on it for worldgen results

[yarr]

This doesn't work anymore right? Because I get a "overflow" error with one of my worlds, but I might just be unlucky? I don't know.

[helf]

it's either the fact I'm using 31.16 or that the xml file is over 700mb, but worldviewer crashes while trying to parse it :p I can uplaod the files if you want.

[slink]

I can't even get this to work with the example files included.  It hangs when it goes to parse a file.  It isn't clear which file I am supposed to choose out of the two text files which are offered, but both give the same result.  Also, this happens both with and without a check in the map+XML check box.  The symptoms are slightly different under different OS.

Win 7 Pro on quad-core computer: Program vanishes from application list.  It has to be killed from the process screen.

WinXP Pro SP2 Virtual Machine on quad-core computer: Program hangs and the process associated with the application is shown as using 99% of the CPU.  It can be killed from the application list.

WinXP Pro SP3 on single-core computer:  Program hangs and the process associated with the application is shown as using about 14% of the CPU.  It can be killed from the application list.

In all instances it is being run with administrator rights.

[Victuz]

I keep getting the "Overflow" error when I try to use it.

I thought it might be because of the fact that I'm using .16 so I checked it in .14 and .13 but still the same thing happens. In the end I get a parserlog with only one name in it and the thing crashes. Happens both when I'm using XML and when I'm not.

Running Windows XP as an administrator. Any way to get around it? or is it just not going to work for me?

[Sowelu]

From what I probably-mistakenly gathered, it works on .12 and was never updated to .13.  So perhaps that is possible or perhaps I am wrong.

[dennislp3]

From what I probably-mistakenly gathered, it works on .12 and was never updated to .13.  So perhaps that is possible or perhaps I am wrong.

Thats exactly the case