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Author Topic: All chemicals and medicines will KILL YOU  (Read 4909 times)

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Re: All chemicals and medicines will KILL YOU
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2010, 03:45:07 pm »

All food has been genetically modified, in a giant conspiracy going back thousands of years. The same has been done to various companion animals, sometimes with disastrous effects.
In addition, almost all of our food has been chemically modified at a molecular level! It's HIGHLY unnatural. (Hint: The application of heat is involved.)

On the other hand, medication is important but not something that should be taken lightly. It always appalls me how many people I know don't bother reading the dosage instructions and such on over-the-counter drugs, or check if they're taking multiple things that contain the same active ingredient. Hell, I once missed school because my mom transferred some pills into the pill bottle for something else, so I ended up overdosing unintentionally. (They were pretty much the same stuff, but she put the 1-every-12-hours pills in a 2-every-4-hours bottle.) Also, everything has side-effects. The idea is that you use medication when the side effects are preferable whatever the drug is treating. Having your health compromised by medications is generally seen as better than having your health compromised by heart failure, for example.
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« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2010, 05:04:03 pm »

All food has been genetically modified, in a giant conspiracy going back thousands of years. The same has been done to various companion animals, sometimes with disastrous effects.
In addition, almost all of our food has been chemically modified at a molecular level! It's HIGHLY unnatural. (Hint: The application of heat is involved.)

The difference is that these processes (as well as the selection of what to eat in the first place) took place over countless generations, as opposed to something being done on a whim for profit. Things get a bit dicier if you can change something's genome more directly and instantaneously rather than simply, say, selecting for larger and tastier fruits. The results are likely to be more unpredictable, since they aren't evolving within the ecosystem to that point in the first place.

Dog breeding is pretty messed up, but that's similarly due to them being bred for certain traits outside of any natural environment that would actually test their feasibility as organisms, instead opting for weird and arbitrary cosmetic standards over anything else. (I watched that BBC documentary/expose on pedigree dogs and it was pretty sickening)


Again, it's not that genetically modifying food is necessarily bad, just that there are risks involved that we are simply not accustomed to.
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Re: All chemicals and medicines will KILL YOU
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2010, 05:13:45 pm »

There hasn't been any incident so far. Most of the fearmongering is pure hype.
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Re: All chemicals and medicines will KILL YOU
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2010, 05:16:11 pm »

And thus the reason I say test them but modify away.
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« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2010, 05:20:31 pm »

There hasn't been any incident so far. Most of the fearmongering is pure hype.

There are many more problems than whatever hypothetical health issues there are, like those related to ecology or the economy/legal rights.

I'm not sure what you call an "incident", but the legal issues regarding GM crops have barely begun to be tackled; the Supreme Court made their first ruling related to them at all about two weeks ago.

And thus the reason I say test them but modify away.

If you need to test them, you do that before you put it into production, though, as with medicine or anything else. And the legal and ethical issues still remain.
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Re: All chemicals and medicines will KILL YOU
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2010, 05:27:20 pm »

I don't take medicines without a good cause (mild headache or nausea aren't good causes), because lots of them are bad for you liver and I can't bother to find out which ones aren't. If I'm going to ruin my liver, I'll do it with booze!
See, booze IS a medicine. The only one worth dying of.
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« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2010, 05:33:20 pm »

I don't take medicines without a good cause (mild headache or nausea aren't good causes), because lots of them are bad for you liver and I can't bother to find out which ones aren't. If I'm going to ruin my liver, I'll do it with booze!
See, booze IS a medicine. The only one worth dying of.

Oh the conundrum!

And what does legal technicalities have to do with the morality of this? Just decide and than do, some will dislike it but some dislike every law.
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« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2010, 05:46:11 pm »

I watched that BBC documentary/expose on pedigree dogs and it was pretty sickening.

Goddamn was it ever. Mongrels all the way!

I'll have more to add to the discussion when I've thought more about it.
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« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2010, 05:55:37 pm »

Anything taken in high enough dosages and quantities will kill you, sometimes it can require massive amounts to kill, but the real key is balance.

Realnfighter, I wonder what your mother would say about ancient herbal remedies, long before synthetic chemicals were made, which uses the chemicals inside plants (and possibly animals? Mostly plants anyway).
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Re: All chemicals and medicines will KILL YOU
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2010, 07:04:25 pm »

Tell your mother that caffeine is produced by the coffee plant to poison things trying to eat it and see how she reacts :P
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Re: All chemicals and medicines will KILL YOU
« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2010, 09:54:16 pm »

GE crops could significantly reduce world hunger and particularly malnutrition. I'm rather surprised some people are against them.
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Re: All chemicals and medicines will KILL YOU
« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2010, 09:59:27 pm »

Realnfighter, I wonder what your mother would say about ancient herbal remedies, long before synthetic chemicals were made, which uses the chemicals inside plants (and possibly animals? Mostly plants anyway).
She has a large jar full for sore throats.

They don't work.
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« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2010, 10:19:08 pm »

Why don't they work? Plenty of plant-based things are pretty good for sore throats. Obviously they won't cure an infection, but there are a slew of natural things that can help soothe a throat, at the least.
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Re: All chemicals and medicines will KILL YOU
« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2010, 10:21:48 pm »

I've eaten 6 in the past two days.

All i know? I don't feel better.
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Re: All chemicals and medicines will KILL YOU
« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2010, 10:24:14 pm »

I've eaten 6 in the past two days.

All i know? I don't feel better.

Maybe you're suppoused to heat it into a tea?
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