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[Osmosis Jones]

Those city designs look crazy awesome! I have to ask though, will we have things like central keeps, inside a second wall?

Also, will the cities get divided into districts? Say a livestock/butchers/tanners section downwind of the city, or cramped and dingy slums/ghettos & more expensive and spacious rich districts?

Either way, can't wait.

[Karakzon]

hope they have cellers and sewer works. tis not a propper city if you cant find somewere to be armpit deep in crap.

[Kappas]

Quite frankly, I think that Toady has catched a little Napoleon fewer here. Are cities of that size still practical in game terms? In the other hand, layouts we saw today were maximum size cities, so may we assume most towns shall be smaller?

[jellsprout]

So one pixel is equal to one in-game tile? That would make these cities the size of a full 17x17 embark area. I wonder how many people these cities will hold.

[Karakzon]

say a dwarf needs 4 rooms, of 3x3 each, thats 3x3 = 9 tiles, x4 = 36 tiles for the rooms, though its realy 5x5 for the walls, making it a 100 tiles for one house, ish, thats in any z level or direction. so if it was stored with 2 rooms below and 2 rooms up, just 50 tiles -and not even that because they share a wall(s) between rooms.

hmm. minimum is 45 squares for a base lets say, for a 2 room down stair and 2 room upstairs. divide 17x17 embark square tiles by 45 game tiles, and add 50% to 75% since some of the population will be living together. what number you get is the population. im willing to bet it is a hell of alot.

[B0013]

2008:
1, 2

2011:
1, 2


Also, will there be variations of city layouts beetween different human civilizations? Like, if a civ makes more "organic" looking cities another may make them more rigid (larger roads, no curves, etc.)

[darkflagrance]

The new cities are just orgasmic <3...BUT

Will there be any kind of navigational tools like signposts or slabposts, or perhaps even a system where villages guide adventurers in place so that the player doesn't easily get lost in these cities?

I imagine the lag from these things might become a serious matter; when I adventured in my old fort, every movement was a pain because every surviving dwarf and cave animal was in the fort pathing around and fighting.

[Jeoshua]

I did have a few suggestions on something that could be done with the new maps.  But I love that they're totally procedural and seem to have grown INWARD rather than upward.

Now all we need is for those houses to not all just be hovels.

[Knight Otu]

Niiice start for the city maps.

I hope the cities will somewhat respect the surroundings. Or that people will start modifying the surroundings: like channels.

Toady specifically mentioned working on bridges and channels next after some gate work, so yeah, the cities should be respecting surroundings in a few days. And settlements of all kinds desperately need working bridges right now anyway, so they can follow their soonish-to-come schedules.

Will there be any kind of navigational tools like signposts or slabposts, or perhaps even a system where villages guide adventurers in place so that the player doesn't easily get lost in these cities?

I'm sure it's a concern that Toady'll look into. He already mentioned that new conversation options may come in, so that could be one help. I hope you can still (T)ravel in the confines of the new cities like you can in the current towns, though. As long as you can't (T)ravel over the walls, that should be ok.

So one pixel is equal to one in-game tile? That would make these cities the size of a full 17x17 embark area. I wonder how many people these cities will hold.

Someone in another thread estimated a good 1500 to 2000 buildings. If that's accurate, we're looking at maps for cities of 10000+ people (assuming an average of 5 to 7 inhabitants), which is much larger than most towns currently get (though caravan improvements may change that).

[Areyar]

inside those blocks is traditionally veggies.
These three cities look very similar. I'm sure it is just 3xamples of the same generic city type.

There do need to be destinations for those main roads to lead to and from, otherwise the pattern will just be of a slums.

[Jiri Petru]

London in 1300 (map) had, according to Wikipedia, around 100,000 people. These cities are several times larger than London.

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I was wondering:

How does the building process in world-gen work? Are the large buildings like walls or castles built gradually, segment after segment, or do they just pop into existence overnight? Is there some resource gathering going on? Basically, I'm just wondering if it is possible to encounter a city with unfinished walls, or a castle where just the keep has been finished.

I imagine this will come into play on a bigger scale later, when buildings like temples that can take dozens or hundreds of years get added.

[B0013]

The first city with filled yards and 1-pixel red adventurers for comparison.

[Mel_Vixen]

Sadly there is no indication which buildings are single Z and which ones are Multi-z-level. I would estimate that toadys citys harbour 40 to 50k people atleast. Thus such citys must be centers of trade or something similiar. Imagine the logisticks behind such a place - food, building materials, tools weapons, fabric and cloth, metal etc. . If this would be a dwarfen town i wouldnt like to be the bookkeeper. Alone paving all the streets must drain a half mountain of rocks.

Now take a dwarfen mountainhome. If they get theyr hives in a comparable size there must be tremendous amounts of landfill (if the dont ship that to humans to pave streets). This stuff has to go somewhere since not all can be turned into trade-goods.

One thing i want to see first hand is a dragon or a forgotten beast rampaging trough the streets bringing death and destruction.

[TolyK]

Toady's got pics of the city up!

And by Armok, they're ENORMOUS! I'm looking forward to doing some exploration.

Those are max-sized cities, so I'm looking forward to them.
I hope they will have more than  z-level.

[freeformschooler]

I think cities of such a ludicrous size are going to be really appropriate when they have workshops and elaborate markets alongside them. Remember: we're only seeing the first stage here (and it was a pleasant surprise).

Are all those orange rectangles ALL buildings? As improbably as that seems, it's not without the scope of reality I suppose.