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[TolyK]

You mean Cans of Beef?
[/derail]

afaik you can't

[G-Flex]

Possibly a stupid question and one that will probably be answered before you even read this:

I just read the description of the Giant Earthworm.

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A gigantic version of its tiny cousin, this long, slimy creature tunnels trough the rocks deep underground.

Does this mean you have added [TUNNELLING] as a tag and method of movement?

It should be called a Rockworm or maybe a Sqyrm (as in Wyrm) .

You realize you could have spent less time checking the raws than you took to ask the question, right?

[Areyar]

yep.
Isa form o socializing.

[Lemunde]

So what are your plans for cobaltite and cinnabar?

[Areyar]

Dunna furgit hornblende and ...uh... that other green glowy stuff.

saltpeter, rocksalt.
I guess they are there for when the alchemy gets an overhaul...and salted pork/fish!

[G-Flex]

So what are your plans for cobaltite and cinnabar?

Cobalt is pretty far beyond the technological realm of possibility here, although cinnabar mining isn't, and I don't think mercury extraction from cinnabar even requires much of a "smelting" operation, per se (I think it mostly consists of tumbling the broken rock in a high-heat environment).

[nil]

I'd love to see salt in DF.  Historically it was extremely important (and a major trade good). 

[Granite26]

Back to boats:

Is there any reason to expect a 1 to 1 correlation between location inside the ship and location outside?  What I mean is, when you're on the ship, calculate your location in relation to the ship.  If you jump out, calculate a 'best guess' square to land in based on where the ship is.  Then all you need to do is handle normal movement(Display as whatever angle you want, but move 1 up 1 across style) and parking (since docks will be on the grid, a docked ship has to align to the grid to dock.).

Added bonus: Reference frame for everything on the ship is to the ship, so you don't have to think about anything on the ship when you move it.

[Arkose]

So what are your plans for cobaltite and cinnabar?

Cobalt is pretty far beyond the technological realm of possibility here, although cinnabar mining isn't, and I don't think mercury extraction from cinnabar even requires much of a "smelting" operation, per se (I think it mostly consists of tumbling the broken rock in a high-heat environment).

I don't know if they were talking about smelting necessarily; cobalt and cinnabar have historically been used as blue and red pigments. I could see them being used as ingredients in the dyer's workshop.

[monk12]

So what are your plans for cobaltite and cinnabar?

Cobalt is pretty far beyond the technological realm of possibility here, although cinnabar mining isn't, and I don't think mercury extraction from cinnabar even requires much of a "smelting" operation, per se (I think it mostly consists of tumbling the broken rock in a high-heat environment).

Cobalt has been used for making crap blue since ancient times. To quote, "Cobalt compounds have been used for centuries to impart a rich blue color to glass, glazes, and ceramics. Cobalt has been detected in Egyptian sculpture and Persian jewelry from the third millennium BC, in the ruins of Pompeii (destroyed AD 79), and in China dating from the Tang dynasty (AD 618–907) and the Ming dynasty (AD 1368–1644).[8]" and furthermore, "Cobalt has been used to color glass since the Bronze Age. The excavation of the Uluburun shipwreck yielded an ingot of blue glass, which was cast during the 14th century BC.[9][10] Blue glass items from Egypt are colored with copper, iron, or cobalt. The oldest cobalt-colored glass was from the time of the Eighteenth dynasty in Egypt (1550–1292 BC)."

Cinnabar has a similar history, with an added bonus of body painting by the Romans.

That article also taught me that Cobalt is from the German kobalt, from kobold, meaning goblin. Whee!

[G-Flex]

When I said "cobalt" I meant elemental (i.e. metallic) cobalt.

I know that there were some cobalt compounds (maybe just cobalt oxide of some sort?) used to color glass and porcelain in various areas here and there throughout history, but I have no idea what compounds they use, and have suspicions that they weren't derived from cobaltite.

[monk12]

Cobaltite is a compound of cobalt, arsenic, and sulphur. It is the principle modern source of cobalt.

A bit of further digging popped up Cobalt blue, which is a compound of cobalt monoxide and aluminum-oxide. It has existed in impure form for centuries and was the source of cobalt in chinese porcelain, but was only produced on a large scale in 1807.

Cobalt Monoxide has a shoddy wiki entry which mentions that cobalt monoxide is one the ingredients in cobalt blue, and also suggests that it was used independently to make blue glazes and glass.

Further digging also brought me to cobalt poisoning, which makes me wish for more syndromes.

I'm pretty well along on a wiki walk now, but as far as this discussion it looks like ancient cultures got cobalt wherever they could, and often didn't realize that it was the cobalt in whatever compound they were using that gave the blue color. Whether cobaltite was the most common source or is just a catchall term used by DF is unclear.

[Chthonic]

Back to boats:

Is there any reason to expect a 1 to 1 correlation between location inside the ship and location outside?  What I mean is, when you're on the ship, calculate your location in relation to the ship.  If you jump out, calculate a 'best guess' square to land in based on where the ship is.  Then all you need to do is handle normal movement(Display as whatever angle you want, but move 1 up 1 across style) and parking (since docks will be on the grid, a docked ship has to align to the grid to dock.).

Added bonus: Reference frame for everything on the ship is to the ship, so you don't have to think about anything on the ship when you move it.

Granite is smart.  These are good ideas.

[Ratbert_CP]

Granite is smart.  These are good ideas.

Someone thought it was a good idea to send seven random "volunteers" into the wilderness to start a settlement. Then someone thought it was a good idea to send a contingent from the lye-makers local 153 to said settlement...

Both "good" and "ideas" have fluid meanings in and around Dwarf Fortress.

[TolyK]

Back to boats:

Is there any reason to expect a 1 to 1 correlation between location inside the ship and location outside?  What I mean is, when you're on the ship, calculate your location in relation to the ship.  If you jump out, calculate a 'best guess' square to land in based on where the ship is.  Then all you need to do is handle normal movement(Display as whatever angle you want, but move 1 up 1 across style) and parking (since docks will be on the grid, a docked ship has to align to the grid to dock.).

Added bonus: Reference frame for everything on the ship is to the ship, so you don't have to think about anything on the ship when you move it.

Post it here please: Vehicles Megathread
yeah, while on a ship or vehicle (i.e. adventure mode) you have the view centered on the ship, and coordinates for that marked relative to the ship. you could have the same thing for AI ingame, just make them move to a certain spot on the ship (the "docking deck zone" or whatever) and then onto shore.