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[jellsprout]

Elves eat their dead.
And I don't really think the Goblins live in cities of thousands. They are more likely to have a smallish fortress that contains a few dozen gobbos, and everyone else is out raiding the neighbors or hunting down the wildlife.

[Lord Shonus]

"eating their dead" is just to avoid waste. It's not a sustainable food source. Goblins would keep flocks, hunt, and raid to meet their food needs.

[nbonaparte]

I'm curious as to the rate of expansion/decline of elven populations. Are more elves born than die in wars or less? If it's less, eating the dead could be viable as a food source.

[Footkerchief]

I've got another question for you toady.

Will adventurers ever be able to become a leader of a civ or group?, like becoming a bandit leader and recruiting people into the ranks of your bandit army and have them do raids and give you the goods that they looted. or become a ranking general for a civ and lead raids against enemy forces.

Yes, this is planned:

# AFFILIATION ARC: You should be able to rise to the top of an entity (civilization, town, etc.) in adventure mode. While the full set of responsibilities that would entail will have to wait, it should at least be possible to attain this status for the first version. You should be able to do things for individuals. This could earn you favors from sleeping in their home and food gifts all the way to a marriage offer. There can be smaller entities like bandits and cults which could offer more unsavory tasks for similar privileges (steal, kill, kidnap, etc.). Can earn right to sleep in the large hall in town if you've become affiliated with them, but vagrancy needs to be punished and the camping must be harsher before this is meaningful. Related to Core64, Core65, Core71, Req586, Req587, Bloat163, PowerGoal12, PowerGoal19, PowerGoal27, PowerGoal37, PowerGoal41, PowerGoal42, PowerGoal44, PowerGoal48 and PowerGoal54.

# Core65, ADVENTURER SITE AFFILIATIONS, (Future): When you perform a task for an entity, you currently can an affiliation with it, but that's all. This needs to be expanded greatly. Not only should you be given various positions of responsibility, but you should also become accepted by the group in question and given some way of obtaining living space, equipment, pay, etc. as appropriate. It would also be good for tasks to be appropriate for the goals of the entity, and where possible, to soften the notion of a task -- if you do something that benefits a group, even if the group didn't explicitly ask for it, this should raise your standing with them in general (to the extent that the action/benefit is detectable from a technical standpoint), and a person at an appropriate position within a group should in some circumstances be able to act under their own power with entity subordinates. The primary target entities/positions here for version 1 are soldiers (either proper ones or loosely defined mead hall groups), caravan guards, bandits and religious groups.

# Core71, BANDITS AND CULTS, (Future): It's important to have groups acting on their own or generally causing trouble without necessarily belonging to an entirely different civilization. Bandits and cults are good choices to start. Bandits could harass or make demands of an early fortress, cults could spring up in a later one, and the adventurer could end up a member or an adversary.

[monk12]

Well Metalmines in Worldgen could imply actual veins over multiple Z levels and lengths, maybe strip-mines. I mean more like real life veins and seams. With them i could be easier for a Ai to break into the caverns take the animal-people hostage and use them as slaves.

I like how Metal Mines leads directly to wholesale slavery. These forums rock.

[slMagnvox]

One thing that concerns me with trading becoming a more integral part of a stable fortress is my front gate.

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the traders ask for entrance, and if you agree, you have an ingame day-long period to open your gates before they get pissed off and leave. The current "oh we saw your gates were shut from the other side of the valley yonder, so we didn't bother coming" situation does not make much sense IMO. Of course my gates were shut, that is what gates are for. Shutting.

With the new more important caravans, will we be able to keep our doors closed most of the year, and get a grace period for opening up when the caravans arrive on the edge of the map? This would allow more security whilst minimising lost trade opportunities.

+1

[Lord Shonus]

Well Metalmines in Worldgen could imply actual veins over multiple Z levels and lengths, maybe strip-mines. I mean more like real life veins and seams. With them i could be easier for a Ai to break into the caverns take the animal-people hostage and use them as slaves.

I like how Metal Mines leads directly to wholesale slavery. These forums rock.

Quite historically accurate.

[MrWiggles]

Well Metalmines in Worldgen could imply actual veins over multiple Z levels and lengths, maybe strip-mines. I mean more like real life veins and seams. With them i could be easier for a Ai to break into the caverns take the animal-people hostage and use them as slaves.

I like how Metal Mines leads directly to wholesale slavery. These forums rock.

Quite historically accurate.

Ah quite so...

I remember when Debris cracked into the first cave system, for their diamonds, and forced the animal men locals to continue on with the mining.

[monk12]

Well Metalmines in Worldgen could imply actual veins over multiple Z levels and lengths, maybe strip-mines. I mean more like real life veins and seams. With them i could be easier for a Ai to break into the caverns take the animal-people hostage and use them as slaves.

I like how Metal Mines leads directly to wholesale slavery. These forums rock.

Quite historically accurate.

Ah quite so...

I remember when Debris cracked into the first cave system, for their diamonds, and forced the animal men locals to continue on with the mining.

I see, its a bit like Jane Goodall and the chimpanzee diamond mine then? Jolly good!

[1freeman]

More questions for the almighty Toady One.

When mounts are implemented, will we be able to purchase mounts for our companion's? or will they have to slog it out on foot while the hero rides upon his valiant steed.

Thank you for putting up with all of my question's.

[Quatch]

I think stealing from bandits is more likely.

One stop bandit shop! The currency of trade is pain and death though.

[LoSboccacc]

what's the plan from mountainhome requests? will there be only prices hints as they're now about mountainhome needs, or will the caravan arc means that the mountainhome will now also make 'mandates' for us to comply?

[penguinofhonor]

I think stealing from bandits is more likely.

One stop bandit shop! The currency of trade is pain and death though.

It's like an auction! The person who's willing to give the most pain and death gets the loot.

[Rip0k]

@recent devpage update:
Looks like DF world will finally be alive after generation. Yeah!!!! ^^
Now Im very curious about next release.


1. Will town structure change? Including bigger/higher buildings and concentrated shop-area (Marketplace?)
2. Will peoples have beds again? Or/and maybe food containers?   

[MagmaMcFry]

Just imagine some medieval European cities in DF, with 1-tile paths between the tiny buildings in the pauper slums, with a wooden fortification ring, with a market place full of themed merchant stands, with thieves, drunks, beggars, inns with quests, guards, with a huge stone mansion for the local noble resident and a local graveyard on a hill.
*sigh*