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[tfaal]

Two or three meters still sounds pretty reasonable. One meter wouldn't make much sense, because you can't even fit a real life dwarf in a one meter cube, let alone a human diplomat.

[Knight Otu]

That's a bit more sprawl than I expected, though I guess part of that is because presumably the farming villages occupy the same portion of region squares as towns. Maybe if villages could be larger than that? Anyway, it should be interesting to see how this works out for other races. Maybe the sprawl could be controlled in the entity raws as well?

[NW_Kohaku]

I would assume it's only about one meter or five feet cubed, based on the sizes of the intities which construct buildings and whatnot. Bigger creatures will likely be multitile, once that functionality goes in.

First, 1 meter does not equal 5 feet.  1 meter is about 3.28 feet.  Yes, they are "dwarves", but they aren't lawn gnomes.  They are only 6/7ths of human size.

Second, yes dwarves are short, but even if we say they were about 4'6" on average, with 5' being as rare as 6'6" is to humans, then you still wouldn't build floors 5 feet apart.  For one thing, you need about two feet of actual floor between floors, and for another, you don't build houses for humans with only 6' of headroom even if it is rare for humans to be 6' tall.  You build them with 8' of headroom, where most people would have to jump to touch the ceiling. 

That means we're talking 2.5 meters, minimum, although 3 meters is more likely, and frankly, makes an easier number to calculate with.

Finally, even if we were talking about a 1 cubic meter tile, that's still 1,000 liters of wall being constructed from 2 liters of metal, when even metal foam would only stretch that to 40 liters.

[Mephansteras]

It looks like humans have gotten the most of the recent village development. How are the other races going to handle things? Are we going to see goblin villages and the like? And how are they going to be different from what you're doing with the humans?

[Haspen]

It looks like humans have gotten the most of the recent village development. How are the other races going to handle things? Are we going to see goblin villages and the like? And how are they going to be different from what you're doing with the humans?

A obsidian castle with magma moat or people-burning-inside pit with towers occupied by poison-breathing FB's would do nice

[Mel_Vixen]

It looks like humans have gotten the most of the recent village development. How are the other races going to handle things? Are we going to see goblin villages and the like? And how are they going to be different from what you're doing with the humans?

A obsidian castle with magma moat or people-burning-inside pit with towers occupied by poison-breathing FB's would do nice

And dwarfs use the first layer of the UG where they carve rooms into the walls of the caves which they use as farms.

[tfaal]

Problem is that the first underground layer is a good 20 z-levels below the surface. Bit deep for a farmer to dig.

Hey Toady, you use the term "townsperson" in the latest dev post, and contrast these people with "farmers". I'm not really sure what the distinction here is. Would you clarify what you mean for me?"

[Footkerchief]

Hey Toady, you use the term "townsperson" in the latest dev post, and contrast these people with "farmers". I'm not really sure what the distinction here is. Would you clarify what you mean for me?"

Townspeople live in towns and probably have the normal variety of trades -- blacksmith, clothier, leatherworker, etc.  Farmers live in villages and do farmer stuff.

[Cruxador]

Problem is that the first underground layer is a good 20 z-levels below the surface. Bit deep for a farmer to dig.

Dwarves already dig underground roads. I see no reason a settlement couldn't exist in the underground.

Hey Toady, you use the term "townsperson" in the latest dev post, and contrast these people with "farmers". I'm not really sure what the distinction here is. Would you clarify what you mean for me?"

Presumably farmers farm, and live out in the countryside, whereas townspeople live in towns, and run the local inn and general store and whatever else

EDIT: or possibly what Footkerchief said.

[Ratbert_CP]

Hey Toady, you use the term "townsperson" in the latest dev post, and contrast these people with "farmers". I'm not really sure what the distinction here is. Would you clarify what you mean for me?"

Townspeople live in towns and probably have the normal variety of trades -- blacksmith, clothier, leatherworker, etc.  Farmers live in villages and do farmer stuff.

Townspeople play La Havre, Farmers play Agricola. 

[Sizik]

I would assume it's only about one meter or five feet cubed, based on the sizes of the intities which construct buildings and whatnot. Bigger creatures will likely be multitile, once that functionality goes in.

First, 1 meter does not equal 5 feet.  1 meter is about 3.28 feet.  Yes, they are "dwarves", but they aren't lawn gnomes.  They are only 6/7ths of human size.

Second, yes dwarves are short, but even if we say they were about 4'6" on average, with 5' being as rare as 6'6" is to humans, then you still wouldn't build floors 5 feet apart.  For one thing, you need about two feet of actual floor between floors, and for another, you don't build houses for humans with only 6' of headroom even if it is rare for humans to be 6' tall.  You build them with 8' of headroom, where most people would have to jump to touch the ceiling. 

That means we're talking 2.5 meters, minimum, although 3 meters is more likely, and frankly, makes an easier number to calculate with.

Finally, even if we were talking about a 1 cubic meter tile, that's still 1,000 liters of wall being constructed from 2 liters of metal, when even metal foam would only stretch that to 40 liters.

I think they're 5 feet square, and 10 feet tall.

[NW_Kohaku]

It looks like humans have gotten the most of the recent village development. How are the other races going to handle things? Are we going to see goblin villages and the like? And how are they going to be different from what you're doing with the humans?

A obsidian castle with magma moat or people-burning-inside pit with towers occupied by poison-breathing FB's would do nice

And dwarfs use the first layer of the UG where they carve rooms into the walls of the caves which they use as farms.

I would expect only the larger dwarven cities to actually go to the caverns.  I put that in the suggestion thread about making moddable procedural dwarven forts, since only the Mountainhome where the dwarven civilization starts would need to have access to the caverns to collect the first plump helmet spawn that could then be transplanted in soil layers a mere 1-z level deep.

(Of course, if the dwarven roads are dug down around cavern level, then they might just be living along the dwarven roads, even with the increased danger of the underground creatures...)

[NW_Kohaku]

I think they're 5 feet square, and 10 feet tall.

The game strongly suggests tiles are cubic.  Z-distances are calculated the same as X and Y distances are.

[Man In Zero G]

Or they have the technology to make metal foam.

Unfortunately, not even that works, as it's only about 5% as dense or 20 times as voluminous as regular metal.

If we go by the 3-meter-cube assumption for tiles, we are turning a 2-liter bar of metal into a 27m³ or 27,000 liter wall, a change of 13,500 times the volume.

What if the wall-cube is hollow?

[NW_Kohaku]

Unfortunately, not even that works, as it's only about 5% as dense or 20 times as voluminous as regular metal.

If we go by the 3-meter-cube assumption for tiles, we are turning a 2-liter bar of metal into a 27m³ or 27,000 liter wall, a change of 13,500 times the volume.

What if the wall-cube is hollow?

Interesting, let's consider that, then...  OK, let's pull out my calculator, here...

Going again with the assumption of a 3-meter cube... The surface area would be 9 square meters per side times 6 sides, so we have 54 m² total surface area.  A little would have to be bevelled off in the corners, but we'll ignore that tiny detail as essentially a rounding error. 

Turning 2 liters (.002 m³) into a surface of 54 m² would leave us with a thickness of...  3.7037073 *10^-5 meters, or roughly .04 mm thick.

For comparison, paper is roughly .1 mm thick.