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[tfaal]

While I can understand the concept of creating a new settlement on foreign land in exchange for taxes, the idea of creating a settlement on top of an existing foreign one is and has always been ridiculous. I'm glad the ability has been removed.

[Untelligent]

While I can understand the concept of creating a new settlement on foreign land in exchange for taxes, the idea of creating a settlement on top of an existing foreign one is and has always been ridiculous. I'm glad the ability has been removed.

Just because something's rediculous and doesn't make any sense doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to do it if we want to. Did you forget what game we're playing?

[A Dwarven Smokeologist]

While I can understand the concept of creating a new settlement on foreign land in exchange for taxes, the idea of creating a settlement on top of an existing foreign one is and has always been ridiculous. I'm glad the ability has been removed.

I hope embarking almost anywhere comes back because there is plenty of land that is generated I'd like to be able to build on, regardless of which entity in game owns it.
If they don't like me setting up fort on their land maybe they should send an army to come take it back instead of having the magical can't embark here faeries deal with it.

[tfaal]

Why does it make sense that a dwarven civ would even consider sending out an undefended 7-dwarf embark party deep into foreign territory, to have them mine out the local people's farm plots? Isn't that the kind of thing that would be met with prompt, forceful response, even before the wagon arrives at it's destination?

[monk12]

Why does it make sense that a dwarven civ would even consider sending out an undefended 7-dwarf embark party deep into foreign territory, to have them mine out the local people's farm plots? Isn't that the kind of thing that would be met with prompt, forceful response, even before the wagon arrives at it's destination?

I would not be at all surprised if this type of situation gets folded into the starting scenarios arc. Once entities are more defined and embarks are more flexible, then choosing to embark on foreign soil will likely precipitate wars, with appropriate warnings and supplies.

I don't feel like I communicated that well, hopefully somebody gets the direction of my meaning.

[Eugenitor]

Why does it make sense that a dwarven civ would even consider sending out an undefended 7-dwarf embark party deep into foreign territory, to have them mine out the local people's farm plots? Isn't that the kind of thing that would be met with prompt, forceful response, even before the wagon arrives at it's destination?

Not if they don't know the dwarves are coming. 7 seems like a good number for a covert team.

Word of the day: Sabotage.

[Untelligent]

Why does it make sense that a dwarven civ would even consider sending out an undefended 7-dwarf embark party deep into foreign territory, to have them mine out the local people's farm plots? Isn't that the kind of thing that would be met with prompt, forceful response, even before the wagon arrives at it's destination?

Why does it need to makes sense?

[Urist Imiknorris]

Ironically, it needs to because this is DF. I know it sounds strange, but everything that does not make sense is going to be replaced eventually with a system that does.

[Quatch]

... I agree with sasQuatch.

Guilty as charged.



I think that the reasons to embark on farms (controlled or otherwise) are valid. Of course, all of the consequences aren't implemented yet, and we've seen what happens when details are added in later after people get used to having their way with things.

At this point though, it should be either/or: there is less sprawl (so we have options on where to play), or sprawl shouldn't prevent embark (concerns aside).

[Patchy]

Why must the dwarves embark above ground in the foreign nation? Maybe they traveled through the caverns to setup below them undetected. I've always thought it'd be cool to start in the caverns and dig to the surface. Even through an aquifer, now that'd be a new challenge, safely breaching an aquifer from below and building a stairway up through it hehe.

[Urist McDepravity]

It would be fun to embark with 7 having military skills and carrying weapons instead of tools on these farms. Then gather tools, materials and food from corpses of previous owners.
Sure, once landlord finds out, he should send some military to wipe you out, but that means just more FUN.

[zwei]

Why must the dwarves embark above ground in the foreign nation? Maybe they traveled through the caverns to setup below them undetected. I've always thought it'd be cool to start in the caverns and dig to the surface. Even through an aquifer, now that'd be a new challenge, safely breaching an aquifer from below and building a stairway up through it hehe.

THAT sounds like really interesting scenario.

Thou I am not sure that aquifer would be breachable from below unless you luck out on hitting ore cluster. But fun hitting river from bottom ... hmm

[Quatch]

I'm sure you could breach an aquifer from below (not that I've tried). It'd probably be similar, but with more drainage. Once you get a staircase through and up, you can open it downwards in the same way as before, you just need to get a squad through and up.

[Hummingbird]

From what I recall, yes, you can actually do that. But only with fortress mode. Adventure mode supposedly doesn't work very well this way. The spawls do indeed cause a massive lag to world genning as well as waiting for things to load up. But I think I'll put my vote in as well as request for a lighter sprawl load. To allow more areas to access and quicker loading. (Not that I mind it now, it would just make things easier.)

What's causing the slowdown in the worldgen isn't the sprawl; it's the large increase in battles. If you go to legends mode and look at the history of your world during the last few years of worldgen, you'll notice that there are literally hundreds of battles being fought per year. In this version, worldgen battles happen every week instead of every year; naturally, every powerful civ now rounds up about 1000-2000 guys every week to go pillage some defenseless site somewhere. By the end of my 400-year worldgen, most sites were up to their 1000th pillagings. That's a lot of battles being fought! Battles have always been the most time-consuming element of worldgen, and now that they have increased by a couple of orders of magnitude, it's no wonder that worldgen is a lot slower.

[The Architect]

Toady's going to have to take notice of that and at least give some attention to fixing it. There are various obvious things that should prevent this from happening, from supply lines, time and expense to relative possible gain. You wouldn't pillage something that has nothing to offer you. And you can't afford to run a campaign every week no matter what kind of taxes you levee; you just couldn't feed or organize your army to do that.