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[Grakelin]

That adds up to roughly $4.75 million dollars. Although that seems like a lot to the average person, and anybody who had that amount would consider themselves rich, on a governmental scale it is an absolute pittance. Most people cannot conceive the scale of what governments spend on things, and so they when they see numbers like this, they overreact.

I'd go with this. It's almost nothing, and even the prices there are probably exaggerated. Even a 1% increase in productivity for a few billion dollar companies should cover for that, especially to any group of people whose food costs $1.2M over a few days.

Chutney didn't post that security cost $1 billion, ten times as much as the security for other summits, even the G8 summit which we hosted just recently.

And it didn't even work.

Now people are calling the conduct of the police force into question, and the Police Chief even admits they broke rules and made shit up to arrest people (specifically in regard to their '5 metre line').

[Zangi]

Huh.. was listening to stuff about this on the NPR radio.

So, did the cops really go about beating up journalists?

[ed boy]

Well, let's just say the police action against journalists would be a bit more reported than against the average person.

[Kogan Loloklam]

Ahh, so we gotta send the anarchists to journalism school.

[Sensei]

I'd love to see a non-oppressed group participating in a riot for little to no reason.

Here you go.

[Zangi]

I'd love to see a non-oppressed group participating in a riot for little to no reason.

Here you go.

Hilarious.  Pure gold on what is wrong there.

Those 500 other kids?  Are they getting in trouble with the authorities?  Probably not?  If so, a stern warning at most?
Deflect all the blame on the host and get the normal grounded or whatever from the parents, if the parents even knew the kid was there.  Not a bad deal, heck of a good time with nominal consequences. 

That is why the host gets 'encouragement' from his peers and that is why he has his attitude, despite the incoming punishment.  Might mean more to him if the authorities sieze his parents place or whatever else to pay off that debt 'fast'.

Also, the reporter lady was a being a high and mighty bitch.  (Tone of voice)

[Sevrun]

ok, I'm not a leftwing treehugging fruitbasket, so I don't understand what they really hope to gain by what appears to me as blatant stupidity.  So perhaps someone could explain to me why capitalism is so terrible?  I mean in the entire history of the world what has produced wealth and given people the ability to educate themselves?  Anarchy?  I'd like to see some evidence of that...  Communism tends to crumble under its own weight from what I've seen.  Not always, it's true, but you also see a lot of people trying to get away from those places too...  That leaves a capitalistic system of some form, which seems to have been relatively successful from what I've seen, as far as giving people the opportunity.  It's up to us to take it and succeed or fail.
 So what exactly are they advocating other than stupidity?  Show me something that has a better track record at _allowing_ people to rise from poverty and I'll give it the benefit of the doubt.  But make no mistake, you can make people poor, but making them rich?  If you have any understanding of real economics vs normative economics then you know you can't do that on a large scale, that's what we like to call inflation.

*shrug* maybe all the people with PHDs in everything under the sun can explain it to the stupid old jarhead.  Just remember to use small words so I can understand.   

[Grakelin]

You keep saying 'from what I've seen', but if you're old enough to have seen the world during the height of Communism, you're too old to have to be asking questions like this on an internet forum.

Capitalism doesn't actually raise people out of poverty and into happy, healthy lives all that often, anyways. If it did, would you still be in the military (I assume that is your profession, since you desctibe yourself as a jarhead)? Capitalism hasn't provided you your livelihood, unless you're a private mercenary and not a member of your nation's armed forces (which I doubt), because you work for the Public (the Public being the government, stuff that Monarchs own still counts as Public, even though you don't get to use it). Under other economic systems, you would still have a job. Indeed, in certain ancient cultures, the military was exactly the way to rise up out of poverty.

An economic system is just a way of distributing resources (in fact, distribution of resources is what economy means). The reason people are opposed to it is because it isn't all that fair.

[x2yzh9]

The fact that these protestors(Mostly the Anarchists) justify the massive security expenditure is ironic. They riot because of the huge spending that goes in place, but they merely justify it. Pathetic.

[AtomicPaperclip]

*shrug* maybe all the people with PHDs in everything under the sun can explain it to the stupid old jarhead.  Just remember to use small words so I can understand.   

If one person is rich, many others are poor. Communism/socialism/nazism, etc. is to eliminate economic classes or bring them closer.

They don't WANT people to rise to mass wealth, because they would be taking the wealth from others.

[Grakelin]

The fact that these protestors(Mostly the Anarchists) justify the massive security expenditure is ironic. They riot because of the huge spending that goes in place, but they merely justify it. Pathetic.

They didn't justify anything, though. Not only did the current government spend ten times as much as normal on security in order to showboat to the foreign delegations, it was ineffective both in terms of security and foreign relations.

Not that the security expenditure was spent clearing the streets. That was just the OPP and RCMP.

[ed boy]

An economic system is just a way of distributing resources (in fact, distribution of resources is what economy means). The reason people are opposed to it is because it isn't all that fair.

Capitalism isn't fair? I would certainly say that it isn't equal, but that's because the people within the system aren't equal. If it's working properly, capitalism should be extremely fair.

[Josephus]

An economic system is just a way of distributing resources (in fact, distribution of resources is what economy means). The reason people are opposed to it is because it isn't all that fair.

Capitalism isn't fair? I would certainly say that it isn't equal, but that's because the people within the system aren't equal. If it's working properly, capitalism should be extremely fair.

It does, however, taken to its most logical extreme, resemble mustache-twirling supervillainy.

"What's that? Health benefits for permanent workers cost money? Then say they're contractors and fire the stupid fuckers when they hit 5 months!"

[AtomicPaperclip]

An economic system is just a way of distributing resources (in fact, distribution of resources is what economy means). The reason people are opposed to it is because it isn't all that fair.

Capitalism isn't fair? I would certainly say that it isn't equal, but that's because the people within the system aren't equal. If it's working properly, capitalism should be extremely fair.

Like Standard Oil Company? Totally fair.

[ed boy]

(I'm assuming that's sarcasm, it's hard to be certain over the internet)

I'm afraid I know very little about what you're talking about. Would you care to explain how it was unfair?