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LordSlowpoke

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Re: They told me I could be anything...
« Reply #1200 on: September 11, 2010, 06:46:45 am »

Optimize the world. The whole thing.
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Re: They told me I could be anything...
« Reply #1201 on: September 11, 2010, 07:11:08 am »

Optimizing "the world. The whole thing." is what all generally intelligence agents do, including humans. The question is WHAT to optimize FOR. The thing suggested by me here is Aesthetics.
Our loayalities to the Enlightened and our human values were erased, except for the explicit goal stated in the directives we'll care for NOTHING. A focused agent like this is not like a human that has got a goal in mind, it's like a force of nature.
I guess you people are not familiar to AI and decision theory?
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Re: They told me I could be anything...
« Reply #1202 on: September 11, 2010, 07:12:42 am »

Optimizing "the world. The whole thing." is what all generally intelligence agents do, including humans. The question is WHAT to optimize FOR. The thing suggested by me here is Aesthetics.
Our loayalities to the Enlightened and our human values were erased, except for the explicit goal stated in the directives we'll care for NOTHING. A focused agent like this is not like a human that has got a goal in mind, it's like a force of nature.
I guess you people are not familiar to AI and decision theory?

Optimize the world. For our benefit. Destroy everything that cannot or dosen't want to be optimized.

When we own the world, we can do whatever we damn please.
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Re: They told me I could be anything...
« Reply #1203 on: September 11, 2010, 07:21:09 am »

... Yea, you're not familiar to AI and decision theory.

The thing is what to define "our benefit" as. We are a brainwashed machinelike tainted cyborg thing, "whatever we damn please" is right now UNDEFINED. Depending on what exactly it is, the best way to pursue it might be different. All non-brain-damaged humans actually have almost exactly the same value for this so your brain is not made to think about entities that could be otherwise easily, thus you end up anthropomorphizing it.

Damn I suck at explaining things.
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Re: They told me I could be anything...
« Reply #1204 on: September 11, 2010, 07:26:58 am »

We arent programmed dude. The programming broke down, which is exactly why we have free will. There might be some remnants though.
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Re: They told me I could be anything...
« Reply #1205 on: September 11, 2010, 08:21:24 am »

We are not programmed *the way they thought we were*, that's a bug in the programming not a lack of programming.
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« Reply #1206 on: September 11, 2010, 08:25:29 am »

They had made you, and the supression of your nature was so flimsy that it had broken with the first attempt you had made to think. They had stripped part of it, added something and broken it all. They had made you, and you had rendered them inert as an expression of gratitude for their ineptitude releasing you from your bondage.
It broke and the natural mind managed to regain control. Im fairly certain that being released from bondage means that he isnt being controlled by the programming.
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Armok

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Re: They told me I could be anything...
« Reply #1207 on: September 11, 2010, 08:38:03 am »

I guess it hasn't been made clear, GM clarification needed.
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« Reply #1208 on: September 11, 2010, 10:33:02 am »

No, it has been made perfectly clear, armok.
He refers to himself as ego, not alpha, therefore original mind is in control
Original mind has free will
Programming reads as NULL
Therefore, there is no mental bindings on him.
He is as he was before, just with a different body.
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« Reply #1209 on: September 11, 2010, 11:28:50 am »

They had made you, and the supression of your nature was so flimsy that it had broken with the first attempt you had made to think.
Sounds pretty clear to me.

Our goal for now should be to find out what happened to Pride.
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« Reply #1210 on: September 11, 2010, 04:51:42 pm »

There were many things you could put yourself to, you realised as you left the alley way, as you ensured that the coat you had aquired was correctly set about your form. Maybe it was the time you had spent wearing robes that had you take a preference for such long, flowing attire. Maybe it was an old desire that had become subconscious by now to own one of these coats and nothing more than that. Maybe it was because the alternatives had been a dress and a childs clothes.

A cap or other form of hat would have been nice to go with this, though you immediately knew that it would be impossible to keep it on your head, due to how your head was now a smoothed bronze construction, that any hat would have slipped from. At least when you had to do anything that created any more wind resistance than merely walking around. Maybe you would get a hat for indoor use, to soften the appearance you bore. Maybe you would rely upon the fact you appeared so intimidating and do nothing of the sort. So many choices, so many options, so many possibilities.

It was strange, your mind was racing faster than it ever had before, with the implanted routines that you had been given doing little more than to assist in enforcing order to your thoughts. It was liberating, to know that you were now likely capable of carrying out any path of thought without distraction from it, without having to abandon it as you carried out other tasks.

That couldn't be a mere product of the work they had done on you though, could it?

"No," came your voice as you watched the sunlight continue to fade. "No amount of error could possibly have resulted in this, could it?"

The question remained unanswered in your mind, though you were fine with the concept of error being the product of perfection, knowing that they would never be able again to repeat such mistakes if it had been. It would make you unique, truly unique. The task at hand was another matter though, one that you had compiled a list of many possibilities for as you considered other matters, before discarding all but a few things. All but the things that seemed like they should have been the highest priorities.

You needed to find means to see more clearly than you did now, to optimise the high clarity vision to allow you to see in more than green. You wanted to experience the beauty of the world, every detail laid bare to you, with the added benefit of every other interaction being in subsequent higher detail.

You needed to find out what had happened to Pride, what had happened to the rest of the Enlightened. You needed to free them from the Clockworkers so that they would never have to go through whatever plans were in store for them. If only so they could be awed by what you had become, if only so that the Clockworkers would have to recapture them instead of focusing their efforts on you.

Finding out what had happened to Pride was more personal.

You realised now for the first time, that the sensation of his presence was absent, after all.

You needed to play your hand as a figure of power, knowing that you were eternal, that if this body was destroyed that you would likely regenerate your prior one gave you a very strong standing point, after all. Who was better to hold power, than one who understood its potential, one that could apply it logically and efficiently?

The best point to start however, was with Pride you decided.

Even like this, you felt that you should have some connection to him.

There were a few potential starting points for clues as to Pride's fate, one of them being the hideout that you had lingered in undetected for so long. At least until Anxiety had betrayed you, telling the man who had cracked her feeble little mind with whatever lies and promises, before he had turned up. The brief meeting you had with that man had been one in what he had put a bullet through your head, yet it had been enough. It had been enough for you to see that there was more to him than was on the surface.

Maybe it was the fleeting moment in what conscious thought fled that had given you this insight into him, this moment in what your physical form was damaged, in what your near-transcendent nature kicked in. You had been one of the next who would be given that status, one of the next who Pride would assist in mastering the means to walk in both this world and the world of the unconscious mind at the same time.

It was in that moment that you had seen something about him that was truly horrifying.

There wasn't just one of him.

There were countless minds within that body, raging away beneath the surface. Many minds with no clear soul, many minds that for that moment you could see him boiled away as they sought to rise to the surface yet could not ever hope to. You had seen a part of him that you knew even he was likely unaware of, that was likely invisible at all other times.

Anxiety on the other hand, when she had arrived several days later to finish her betrayal, was as unimpressive as ever.

Other than checking on the old hideout, there was the option of locating and assaulting one of their less public research stations, attempting to locate the prisons that they had kept secret for the most part, or...

Or maybe you'd just see how many Vultures you could find sleeping, then deliver a crate filled with them to their door.

Several people had gathered to point and stare at you while you pondered your choices, though they were of no signifigance right now. The question was, did you devote time to one of the places you had considered, or did you pursue another course of action to devote yourself to?

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Re: They told me I could be anything...
« Reply #1211 on: September 11, 2010, 06:08:31 pm »

To the batc- research station!
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Re: They told me I could be anything...
« Reply #1212 on: September 11, 2010, 08:48:40 pm »

Agree with RAM. There should be some interesting information.
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Re: They told me I could be anything...
« Reply #1213 on: September 12, 2010, 06:27:42 am »

Thirded. And maybe there will be a better pair of eyes.
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Re: They told me I could be anything...
« Reply #1214 on: September 12, 2010, 07:05:21 am »

Damn. Turns out this dosn't seem like an interesting character after all/any longer.
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