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[Grendus]

I think a lot of it was related to a recent incident where another person tried to create a DF clone and siphon donations away from Toady. People naturally assumed this was in the same vein, and being very defensive-minded we reacted... well, you saw the reaction.

[subject name here]

Can anyone link me to the Something Awful thread on Goblin Camp? I'm interested to know more about his plans.

Does anyone here know why some SA members dislike this forum? I had always assumed there would be a lot of overlap with people here going there also.

mostly because of the insane fanboys (aka. the crazy people who think the goblin camp dude personally hates toady and is only making a game to passive aggressively attack him)

(the people who think every game created in the same vain as dwarf fortress is an attempt to siphon away donation money. how can anyone see more games like DF as a bad thing?) (come on don't you want to give birth to sub-genre of a sub-genre of rpgs!?)

[Grendus]

In all fairness, the last DF clone was trying to siphon donation money away from Toady. That doesn't excuse the hostility, but it explains it a bit. Between that and the somewhat hostile trolls we've gotten from SA since, a few people overreacting is not unexpected.

[Diablous]

There is a big difference between Impaler's Khazad project and Goblin Camp. Impaler insulted fans of DF, told people not to donate to Toady, and tried to reverse engineer DF. Goblin Camp is just inspired by DF.

[Grendus]

True enough. I was just saying that that might explain why some people overreacted - it's still a bit of a sore point. But you're right in terms of whether or not the reaction was warranted, he was being very polite and didn't belittle Toady at all. The hatred towards him or his project was unwarranted.

[Gabeux]

I liked his first post on his site.

[Servant Corps]

Have there actually been any DF clones created?

[subject name here]

I know a few people who had their own ideas for a DF clone but didn't talk about it much because of (the totally rational) fear of the DF fans tearing them apart like a pack of dingos at a daycare centre.

[Capntastic]

If you go to the Goblin Camp forums specifically to start trouble there you are a horrible person.   If you can't discuss the game in a civil manner and devolve into an 'us versus them' mentality you are a horrible person.   Nethack doesn't care what ADOM does, there's more than enough room in the world for multiple 'Fortlikes'.

The fact that General Container has to pre-defend himself upfront before discussing his plans on his site is unfortunate.  I know for a fact that dozens of Bay12ers have been inspired by DF to learn programming and make their own games, with or without similarities to DF.  Just because one actually makes progress is no reason to turn on the creator like a rabid fish, and it reeks of doubt and insecurity in DF overall.   Cultivate a positive environment, guys!

[Deon]

I'm confused about the first 6 pages of this thread. Why the hostility?

Because of morons .

I know a few people who had their own ideas for a DF clone but didn't talk about it much because of (the totally rational) fear of the DF fans tearing them apart like a pack of dingos at a daycare centre.

They fear not of DF fans, they fear of DF trolls. DF fans are rotating fanblades, and they are nothing oustide of complex weapon traps.

The trolls are building destroyers though, so they can topple your dear constructions with ease. And they will do it intentionally.

[ChairmanPoo]

why do so many people here resent this goblin camp game? I mean, we like Dwarf Fortress, right? So another guy doing a simmilar game is good. More is better, after all. It might well branch into something different from Toady's vision, but good in other ways.

Frankly, this hostility towards the guy seems to me nerd rage at it's dumbest. It's as if nethack players started raging against Stone Soup, or Age of Empires players against Warcraft III. It doesnt make much sense.


PD: On the other hand, there was once, in the past, a "fake" Dwarf Fortress clone that didn't really exist. So I would avoid getting too excited about this guy until he releases something that works.

That being said, I hope he is legit and that he pulls out something interesting.

[Tilla]

I think a lot of the nerdrage is the sudden appearance of people (like the original thread that got locked poster) who are coming to outright insult people, just a hunch.

[MrWiggles]

The fan rage is almost never called for, but I cant help but see some of it.

The SA thread is making direct comparison with Dwarf Fortress. Therefore each statement of Goblin Camp features is also in direct comparison and when they talk about implentation is in direct comparison.

When the SA threads says 'Like a competent coder' It not an unfair or unreasonable inference that it is unlike Dwarf fortress. Or that Toady is incompetent.

That is a pot shot, and thinly veiled. Character assassination, it an extreme word for it.

However nerdrage doesn't anything productive. 

[Zangi]

The fan rage is almost never called for, but I cant help but see some of it.
*snip*
However nerdrage doesn't anything productive.

People can rage over the smallest things.  Not being right or productive about it won't stop it.


Yea, I lean toward, "Goblin Camp guy is riding the negative wave to gain exposure/support" side.  Even if that is not his intent or initial intent...  it ends up sounding like that, from my viewpoint.

[Urist McDepravity]

One guy != a "raid."

Go through this and other goblincamp threads and count how much accounts are registered with sole purpose of defending gc/trolling here.
Isn't it quite surprising to see people to come to some game's forum with sole purpose of defending another game there? Talk about zealotry now.