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[Pathos]

Yeah, because we have a 0% unemployment rate, so we can't just fill in the gaps.

That's... Not how it works.

[sonerohi]

Yeah, because we have a 0% unemployment rate, so we can't just fill in the gaps.

That's... Not how it works.

Sure it is. We just have police force everyone to work for the companies that lose all their employees, and have them rough up people who aren't showing up.

[Pathos]

Sure it is. We just have police force everyone to work for the companies that lose all their employees, and have them rough up people who aren't showing up.

Sonerohi: Supporting police state since June 2010.

[Leafsnail]

Sure it is. We just have police force everyone to work for the companies that lose all their employees, and have them rough up people who aren't showing up.

I love personal freedom.

[smigenboger]

I didn't know you were even considered a citizen of the US if you were born of two illegal immigrants here. I'd be willing to shell out a few more tax dollars to help stabilize the border, as long as the funding is managed properly.

[sonerohi]

Sure it is. We just have police force everyone to work for the companies that lose all their employees, and have them rough up people who aren't showing up.

Sonerohi: Supporting police state since June 2010.

Not a police state. Some sort of... uber-police--and-army-and-oppression state. Big Brother need not watch what obeys out of fear.

[Euld]

We used to be illegal immigrants on native land up until right of conquest kicked in.

In other words, all those illegal Mexicans don't get citizenship until they rise up and genocide practically the whole United States.  Then let the survivors build casinos.

[Zangi]

We used to be illegal immigrants on native land up until right of conquest kicked in.

In other words, all those illegal Mexicans don't get citizenship until they rise up and genocide practically the whole United States.  Then let the survivors build casinos.

On the money there.

[Sir Pseudonymous]

I dispute the notion that settlers in the Americas were illegal immigrants, on the grounds that the natives had no laws or concepts governing immigration, they didn't have formal governing bodies to declare the presence of settlers illegitimate, nor were the settlers immigrating into their communities, they were legally immigrating into the jurisdiction of established colonies with accepting governments. You can argue against the legitimacy of those governments, but legitimacy of a government only ever extends as far as it can enforce/maintain its presence through diplomatic or military means.

[Servant Corps]

I request the thread title change. It's not a "to-be-law", it's just a bill. The federal government once "considered" a bill to legalize marijuana...that's not a "to-be-law".

I live in Arizona, and I don't like this negative attention or negative stereotyping. It's just a state. A state that has passed a law in the hopes of shoring up the immigration system.

No country can absorb an unlimited amount of immigrant populations forever, there needs to be some sort of regulation and quotas. Obviously, there can be debate over how to do these regulations; and I tend towards having a high quota...but I also want these regulations to have teeth.

...Also, instead of claiming that we're illegal immigrants on Native Americans' territories, you'd be better off condemning illegal American immigration into the Mexican province of Texas, and Mexico's increased border control leading up to the Texan Independence War.

EDIT: On topic, I oppose this bill. Being born in the United States automatically causes you to be assimilated, and thus you deserve citizenship.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I request the thread title change. It's not a "to-be-law", it's just a bill. The federal government once "considered" a bill to legalize marijuana...that's not a "to-be-law".

Fine. But a bill is, in basic terms, a to-be-law. It dosen't mean that it will become law, but is being considered.

[fenrif]

I live in Arizona, and I don't like this negative attention or negative stereotyping.

I live in England, and I think maybe associating yourself with a much larger group of people who perhaps don't always act in a way that you wish to be associated with will end in tears.

(If you're wondering, Arizona seems to have a history of less enlightened views towards people south of the boarder, and that's just from what I happen across on the net by accident.)

[Servant Corps]

I live in Arizona, and I don't like this negative attention or negative stereotyping.

I live in England, and I think maybe associating yourself with a much larger group of people who perhaps don't always act in a way that you wish to be associated with will end in tears.

Guess what? The state of Arizona happens to be filled with human beings, who don't agree with exactly the same thing that I do. Where do you want me to move? Antarctica?

(If you're wondering, Arizona seems to have a history of less enlightened views towards people south of the boarder, and that's just from what I happen across on the net by accident.)

It's not history, it's stereotyping. Other states wrest with these problems too and engage in policies that go against illegal immigration, yet Arizona is being singled out just because of this law. Why this interest? It's annoying.

[Nikov]

Going from a new law that suggested police check persons they already made legal contact with for citizenship or legal immigration status and send them to the proper federal authorities if in the country illegally...

To a bill that clarifies an existing legal precedent that children born in the US to illegally immigrated parents are not natural citizens...

I would say Arizonans are acting in Arizona's best interests and only persons taking an absence from their wits would try to interfere, especially people in other goddamn countries.

[Pathos]

It's not history, it's stereotyping. Other states wrest with these problems too and engage in policies that go against illegal immigration, yet Arizona is being singled out just because of this law. Why this interest? It's annoying.

Because this is targetting the children of illegal immigrants who may not be able to get citizenship in their parent's home country, either.

I would say Arizonans are acting in Arizona's best interests and only persons taking an absence from their wits would try to interfere, especially people in other goddamn countries.

They're working to the detriment of pretty much everyone else.