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[Leafsnail]

Wait, you're saying illegal immigrants come to Arizona just to rape someone or kill a few people and then go straight back?  And, if I'm honest, I don't understand the "stealing jobs" aspect... would people giving birth also be "stealing jobs"?

[sonerohi]

Wait, you're saying illegal immigrants come to Arizona just to rape someone or kill a few people and then go straight back?  And, if I'm honest, I don't understand the "stealing jobs" aspect... would people giving birth also be "stealing jobs"?

No it would not. The jobs are intended for the people of the nation. Not the people of another nation. It is like leaving mints out in your office. You intend them for people entering your office. When one of your appointments brings an advisor or something (the child born) it is cool. When someone going to a different office walks in just to grab some mints, it is not cool.

[Nikov]

Since the illegal immigrants are about 95% Hispanic, it is assumed anyone against illegal immigration is a filthy white redneck racist.

Ohhh strawman-showdown is it? Lets play!

Since a law was passed stating that anyone who looks like they might be a filthy immigrant must be stopped and asked for their ID and papers (and as nikov said, 95% of illegal immigrants are hispanic) institutionalised racism exists in Arizona.

Your turn.

So if crack cocaine is illegal, and say 95% of all crack abusers were black, would that make crack cocaine drug stings racist?

[Heron TSG]

People that don't live in a border state or town can yammer all they want but they don't live where the problem is and see it every day.

I live in the Pacific Northwest and these illegal Canadian immigrants aren't actually too bad.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

So if crack cocaine is illegal, and say 95% of all crack abusers were black, would that make crack cocaine drug stings racist?

No. But passing a law that tells the police they must stop anyone who fits the profile of a crack user, and then telling them in so many words that the profile in question has "Black" at top of the list, is racist.

[Pwnzerfaust]

We are all illegal immigrants on the native's land

Nah, we bought a lot of the land fair and square. Also conquered.

[Nikov]

So if crack cocaine is illegal, and say 95% of all crack abusers were black, would that make crack cocaine drug stings racist?

No. But passing a law that tells the police they must stop anyone who fits the profile of a crack user, and then telling them in so many words that the profile in question has "Black" at top of the list, is racist.

Well, its a good thing the law doesn't say that at all.

[Zangi]

So if crack cocaine is illegal, and say 95% of all crack abusers were black, would that make crack cocaine drug stings racist?

No. But passing a law that tells the police they must stop anyone who fits the profile of a crack user, and then telling them in so many words that the profile in question has "Black" at top of the list, is racist.

Well, its a good thing the law doesn't say that at all.

It doesn't have to.  When the local cop knows that hispanics fit the bill for illegal immigrants.  You probably won't find them asking whites if they are illegal, except to be jackasses.

[Lord Dakoth]

People that don't live in a border state or town can yammer all they want but they don't live where the problem is and see it every day.

This. I live in Tucson, and couldn't agree more.

It doesn't have to.  When the local cop knows that hispanics fit the bill for illegal immigrants.  You probably won't find them asking whites if they are illegal, except to be jackasses.

Exactly. Let's be realistic. The vast majority of illegal immigrants near the US-Mexico border are of Hispanic descent. Those of you who complain that the bill itself is racist apparently have not read the bill itself. There is a statement in the bill that outlaws investigation that is "based solely on race, color or national origin."

The attorney general or county attorney shall not investigate complaints that are based solely on race, color or national origin.

Read if for yourself. Page 7 of the PDF, lines 28-30. http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

[subject name here]

like that'll do anything to stop racial profiling 


god i hate arizona bill

[AtomicPaperclip]

It's not like they have any more ability to racially profile than before.

You have to show ID every time you get stopped anyway.

[mainiac]

This bill is hilariously unconstitutional on the face of it.  What part of "if you are born here you are a citizen" is hard to understand?  But I'd give the bill a 25% chance of surviving on a 5-4 decision.

I love the immigration debate.  There's basically two choices going forward.

1) Choice one, we use enforcement to stop illegal immigration: very, very, very, very, very hard
2) Choice two, we allow more legal immigrants then secure the border: easy

Of course, if we did 2, then 1 would become easy because there wouldn't be illegal immigrants anymore.  But people have it in their minds that we need to do 1 before we can do 2.  Never mind that if we did 2, we wouldn't need to do 1 anymore.  Or the fact that if we just did 1 first we would save approximately 11 gazillion dollars and authorizing the police to send a Doberman up our asses to search for wetbacks.  For some reason, people love to trumpet the fact that if we just got 1 done, then it would be time to do 2.

It's almost like they don't want to do 2 at all and are just dragging their feet.

To all you racists border security lovers out there, I just want to take a moment to pre-emptively gloat.  The history books are going to make you guys look like a bunch of turds in 100 years.  How do I know?  Because people just like you look like a bunch of turds in the history books of today.  Of course, your schools won't have any money for history books because you blew all your money on keeping the mexicans out.

[AtomicPaperclip]

To all you racists border security lovers out there, I just want to take a moment to pre-emptively gloat.  The history books are going to make you guys look like a bunch of turds in 100 years.  How do I know?  Because people just like you look like a bunch of turds in the history books of today.  Of course, your schools won't have any money for history books because you blew all your money on keeping the mexicans out.

This statement is more bigoted than the people/opinions you are attacking.

[mainiac]

I'm attacking the bigots for their beliefs, nothing else.  I don't care if your black white or green, if you hate immigrants, you deserve my scorn.  Where's the bigotry in that?

[AtomicPaperclip]

I'm attacking the bigots for their beliefs, nothing else.  I don't care if your black white or green, if you hate immigrants, you deserve my scorn.  Where's the bigotry in that?

Deeming all people who believe in secure boarders as racists is bigoted.

Not taking reasons for opposing opinions, or willfully disrespecting those opinions is bigoted.

Saying that all people who want secure boarders hate immigrants and deserve scorn is bigoted.

I'm attacking the bigots for their beliefs, nothing else.

bigot - a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own