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[MetalSlimeHunt]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/15/arizona.immigration.children/index.html?hpt=Sbin

Can't say this suprises me, but its dishearting all the same. Given what happened last time Arizona passed immigration laws, I suspect the other states will be less than pleased.

[Pathos]

...Isn't that illegal? I'm fairly certain every country in the world gives citizenship to the children of immigrants, at least if they've been born in the country.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

The status of illegal immigrant children has never been set in stone. Its assumed that they are, but people are always out there to rock the boat. There has only been one conclucive ruling on the matter, and Arizona has not violated its terms with this law. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark

[Zangi]

...Isn't that illegal? I'm fairly certain every country in the world gives citizenship to the children of immigrants, at least if they've been born in the country.

Every country in the world? No.  Far from it.
US is one of the few that gives automatic citizenship to people born on its soil and boats(?).  From last I check anyways, a few years ago, so my memory could be inaccurate.

So, yea, at this point, it'll take another Supreme Court battle to fight the legality and legitimacy or otherwise of this new law.

[Pathos]

Every country in the world? No.  Far from it.
US is one of the few that gives automatic citizenship to people born on its soil and boats(?).  From last I check anyways, a few years ago, so my memory could be inaccurate.

So, yea, at this point, it'll take another Supreme Court battle to fight the legality and legitimacy or otherwise of this new law.

Well, the ones capable of enforcing it do, at the least. It's a standard in the EU.

[AtomicPaperclip]

Look at it from Arizona's point of view:

Arizona, Texas, California, and New Mexico have to pay billions of dollars a year to deal with catching, deporting, and all the other costs that go with illegal immigrants without any funding from the federal government.

It's not a state issue, it's a national issue, and they want EVERYONE to help pay for it instead of just them. So these laws are to put pressure on the Obama administration and the legislature to pass immigration reform laws.

The citizenship of children is one of the big reasons for coming here and it's a big problem because a lot of these children will attend school, even though their parents don't submit a census form so they don't receive enough funding for schools etc.

In Tuscon Arizona, with a population of over 500,000 people, there is ONE emergency room. They can't stay in business because they can't refuse treatment to people without insurance, and illegal immigrants receive medical care there and leave without ever paying.

Arizona has every right to crack down on illegal immigrants.

[Zangi]

Look at it from Arizona's point of view:

Arizona, Texas, California, and New Mexico have to pay billions of dollars a year to deal with catching, deporting, and all the other costs that go with illegal immigrants without any funding from the federal government.

It's not a state issue, it's a national issue, and they want EVERYONE to help pay for it instead of just them. So these laws are to put pressure on the Obama administration and the legislature to pass immigration reform laws.

The citizenship of children is one of the big reasons for coming here and it's a big problem because a lot of these children will attend school, even though their parents don't submit a census form so they don't receive enough funding for schools etc.

In Tuscon Arizona, with a population of over 500,000 people, there is ONE emergency room. They can't stay in business because they can't refuse treatment to people without insurance, and illegal immigrants receive medical care there and leave without ever paying.

Arizona has every right to crack down on illegal immigrants.

Something is wrong there...  how much of that population is 'illegal'? 400,000?

What is the emergency room ratio to population anyways?

[Pathos]

In Tuscon Arizona, with a population of over 500,000 people, there is ONE emergency room. They can't stay in business because they can't refuse treatment to people without insurance, and illegal immigrants receive medical care there and leave without ever paying.

Arizona has every right to crack down on illegal immigrants.

I do find it funny, though, how a country made of immigrants is one of the most aggressive towards immigrants.

After all, it's such a terrible thing that parents want a better life for their children.

(It sounds like that's Arizona's fault. Maybe if they put a bit more funding towards emergency rooms?)

[AtomicPaperclip]

That's the whole point, they want the system to be reformed so more people can become legal citizens.

Honestly nobody wants to pay more money so non-tax-payers can receive medical care for free

[sonerohi]

We are against illegal immigrants. There is a system for some reasons.

[AtomicPaperclip]

We are against illegal immigrants. There is a system for some reasons.

Historically Americans have been pretty anti-immigrant...

Know Nothing party, Ku Klux Klan, Immigration Act of 1924...

[fenrif]

We are against illegal immigrants. There is a system for some reasons.

Historically Americans have been pretty anti-immigrant...

Know Nothing party, Ku Klux Klan, Immigration Act of 1924...

I always find it odd how anti-immigration so many Americans are, while simultaniously every American I've ever met has got some wierd obsession with where their ancestors originally came from. Italian-American, Irish-American, etc.

[Mfbrew]

We are all illegal immigrants on the native's land

[AtomicPaperclip]

I always find it odd how anti-immigration so many Americans are, while simultaniously every American I've ever met has got some wierd obsession with where their ancestors originally came from. Italian-American, Irish-American, etc.

Yeah I think it's stupid.

We are all illegal immigrants on the native's land

Also frustrating =/

[Zangi]

That's the whole point, they want the system to be reformed so more people can become legal citizens.

Honestly nobody wants to pay more money so non-tax-payers can receive medical care for free

Actually, they do pay taxes if they work in 'legit' places with fake information.  They don't get other public services, but they pay into it.

Though anyone, legal or not can work under the table.

We are all illegal immigrants on the native's land

Its pretty easy to ignore inconvenient things, especially when you are the government.