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[Hitty40]

That's right, they will sooner starve to death than bite into a plump helmet.

Well shit, now that finally gives me a use to have lots of cows.

[Sapiverenus]

I don't know if the bug I am experiencing is from your mod or from vanilla, but every time one of miners go down to mine out my bedrooms it's as if they are stuck and they can't get out (or at least one of them). I am using ramps instead of stairs, so that may be the reason, but the way it goes down and up is this:
^^^
ooo
vvv

The circles are the floor. So it goes down, then you walk across one square and go up or vice versa. I didn't dig the area and then make a ramp, I first made the ramp and only dug the area in between. They have a way out, they are not walled in, they should be fine.

I just fixed it but I had to make a staircase going up. The miner who was stuck dug the staircase out by going up the ramp that he couldn't moments ago. Definitely a bug and not an error on my part.

Thank you.

[forsaken1111]

Ramps are strange, they have to be against a wall with a floor on top of that wall to work IIRC. The ramp entry on the wiki says it better than I can.

http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Ramp

Without knowing the layout of the area you mention I can't say if it's truly a bug though.

[SethCreiyd]

I just fixed it but I had to make a staircase going up. The miner who was stuck dug the staircase out by going up the ramp that he couldn't moments ago.

Does sound like a pathing problem.  What caste(s) do the affected miners belong to?

[Sapiverenus]

Green and Orange. Though I seem to be having trouble with ramps in general... I guess the ramp faces the walls and the dwarfs can't hop over across in the other direction I guess. I will see.

[Sapiverenus]

Unrelated to ramps, I can't select statues with q. I have 2 statues in my meeting hall and when I wanted to remove one of them I couldn't select it. I can't select the other one either. It selects the tables and chairs just fine, but not statues.

[SethCreiyd]

Try something like this, using the wall of the previous level as the floor for the current one:

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O - wall
^ - up ramp
+ - floor
v - down ramp

OOOOO
^^^^^
+++++
vvvvv

Regarding the statues, try hovering them directly with 't' key.  Failing that, see if you can build a floor over them.  They may have been deconstructed in place by a building destroyer or tantrum.  If they're built, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to select them.

[Sapiverenus]

Okay ya, they were deconstructed in place. Thanks. I thought about how they can only go up in one direction and can't go any which way like with a staircase so I am digging the area around the top of the ramps. I still find it strange that they can go down the ramp and could go up it when they were building the top of the staircase but oh well. OH WELL.

[ulan]

how do you set it up to play as the sorcerers?

[tj333]

Same way as with wizards. Hit tab to make sure there is a sorcerers civ. Both wizards and sorcerers civs use # on the map.. Use V I think to check the description on a guy and it should say sinister powers and you can buy undead to embark with.

[ulan]

Kk got it to work, wonder how well this will work out...

interesting mod btw, crashes at times, still is cool though
Was expecting to have more goblin or elf invaders when I was playing as the wizards

[tj333]

I had it crash for one of my generated world but on generating a new world it stopped crashing. I am not sure if it was this mod or other things that may have happened there to causeit to crash for me.

[SethCreiyd]

I've never tried to install the mod into a pre-generated world (except worlds already genned with the mod), since it doesn't really change anything in the regular raws, and none of the added stuff would properly appear without a world gen anyway.

I can't seem to reproduce the crashing, but the creature_magical_ff file is now out-of-date and the entity file will need some rewriting, so I think I'll forgo my earlier decision to stay the update -- I'll try and get something done for this mod by the end of the week.  Let me know if anything else pops up.

[Agent_Irons]

I've never tried to install the mod into a pre-generated world (except worlds already genned with the mod), since it doesn't really change anything in the regular raws, and none of the added stuff would properly appear without a world gen anyway.

I can't seem to reproduce the crashing, but the creature_magical_ff file is now out-of-date and the entity file will need some rewriting, so I think I'll forgo my earlier decision to stay the update -- I'll try and get something done for this mod by the end of the week.  Let me know if anything else pops up.

Hooray! You, sir, just made my day. Are we going to get [IS_METAL] on titanium and uranium? I know it's not medieval tech standard, but they are wizards, after all.

[SethCreiyd]

Hooray! You, sir, just made my day. Are we going to get [IS_METAL] on titanium and uranium? I know it's not medieval tech standard, but they are wizards, after all.

I think so, after all.  It makes sense, the melting point of platinum is 2041.4 K, while titanium is at 1941 K, and uranium melts at a measly 1410 K (source: MatWeb).  If dwarven forges can work with platinum then they should be able to work with all the other stuff too.  I think some of the high-heat reactions taking place at the alchemy labs can go to the regular forges easily enough.  The metals are getting redone, here's the old and new cobalt to compare:

Spoiler: Old Cobalt (click to show/hide)

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[INORGANIC:COBALT]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:METAL_HIDDEN_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:cobalt]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:molten cobalt]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:boiling cobalt]
[DISPLAY_COLOR:7:3:0]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:30]
[SPEC_HEAT:390]
[MELTING_POINT:10755]
[BOILING_POINT:11633]
[SOLID_DENSITY:7135]
[LIQUID_DENSITY:6570]
[MOLAR_MASS:65380]
[IMPACT_YIELD:1080000]
[IMPACT_FRACTURE:1080000]
[IMPACT_ELASTICITY:1542]
[COMPRESSIVE_YIELD:1080000]
[COMPRESSIVE_FRACTURE:1080000]
[COMPRESSIVE_ELASTICITY:70]
[TENSILE_YIELD:50000]
[TENSILE_FRACTURE:150000]
[TENSILE_ELASTICITY:108]
[TORSION_YIELD:50000]
[TORSION_FRACTURE:150000]
[TORSION_ELASTICITY:116]
[SHEAR_YIELD:50000]
[SHEAR_FRACTURE:150000]
[SHEAR_ELASTICITY:43]
[BENDING_YIELD:50000]
[BENDING_FRACTURE:150000]
[BENDING_ELASTICITY:46]
[MAX_EDGE:10000]
[ITEMS_HARD]
[ITEMS_METAL]
[ITEMS_BARRED]
[ITEMS_SCALED]
[DEEP_SPECIAL]

Spoiler: New Cobalt (click to show/hide)

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[INORGANIC:COBALT]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:METAL_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:cobalt]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:molten cobalt]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:boiling cobalt]
[DISPLAY_COLOR:7:3:0]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:10]
[SPEC_HEAT:420]
[MELTING_POINT:12691] 1768 K
[BOILING_POINT:15268] 3200 K
[SOLID_DENSITY:8900] in kg per cubic meter
[LIQUID_DENSITY:7750]
[MOLAR_MASS:58930]
[IMPACT_YIELD:196800] Using 3.5x tensile
[IMPACT_FRACTURE:391200]
[IMPACT_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:97]  copied compressive strain at yield
[COMPRESSIVE_YIELD:196800]
[COMPRESSIVE_FRACTURE:391200]
[COMPRESSIVE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:97] like gold, bulk modulus 180 GPa, scale seems to be about .5389 Urists per 1 GPa
[TENSILE_YIELD:65600] conversion seems to be about 1 Urist per 2 psi
[TENSILE_FRACTURE:130400]
[TENSILE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:171] young's modulus 209 GPa, gold scale shows about .8205 Urists per 1 GPa (gold has 64 at 78 GPa)
[TORSION_YIELD:61200] without clearer info, using 2x Modulus of Elasticity ksi
[TORSION_FRACTURE:122400]
[TORSION_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:320] not sure what to do here, value based on Poisson's Ratio
[SHEAR_YIELD:12000]
[SHEAR_FRACTURE:24000]
[SHEAR_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:524] shear modulus 75 GPa, gold scale shows about 6.852 Urists per 1 GPa (gold has 185 at 27 GPa)
[BENDING_YIELD:50000]
[BENDING_FRACTURE:150000]
[BENDING_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:32]
[MAX_EDGE:10000]
[ITEMS_AMMO][ITEMS_ARMOR]
[ITEMS_HARD]
[ITEMS_METAL]
[ITEMS_BARRED]
[ITEMS_SCALED]

The issue of technology should affect the dwarves when it comes to producing these metals from ore, not necessarily working with the metals themselves.  Titanium, for instance, cannot be smelted normally, heating the ore with carbon present yields titanium carbide, which has no use modeled by the game.  For the new version I'm attempting to model the Hunter and Kroll processes, which means sodium and chlorine have to go in.  They'll have further uses, and both can be extracted from rock salt. 

This is a good way to preserve the 14th century tech limit, I think.  In presenting the materials in realistic states and making the reactions producing them as lifelike as possible, one can still keep a technology cap in the game by limiting entities' access to said reactions, because natural law does not change over measurable time, what changes is an entity's knowledge and mastery of it.

_{edit: updated cobalt spoilers}