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[sonerohi]

Shooting a guy in the heat of it is gonna be pretty damn easy. If you're one to feel guilty about it later, enjoy your lasting psychological trauma I guess. I get a feeling that most of the B12'ers in this thread are of the right stuff to deal with it. Except Jack. But that doesn't matter because he lives in Australia, where the wildlife is home defence.

[Phmcw]

If it come to that, why a rifle? Wouldn't an handgun do a better job?

Also, like I said before, just look at statistics. The important point being criminality and number of gun in circulation.

When we want gun regulation, we don't say that not having a gun will make you safer, we mean that stronger gun regulation would prevent gun violence.

[Jackrabbit]

Shooting a guy in the heat of it is gonna be pretty damn easy. If you're one to feel guilty about it later, enjoy your lasting psychological trauma I guess. I get a feeling that most of the B12'ers in this thread are of the right stuff to deal with it. Except Jack. But that doesn't matter because he lives in Australia, where the wildlife is home defence.

Yeah, wow, that's a pretty big generalization.

"I think that most people here are of the right stuff to deal with straight up killing a guy."

See, I think the opposite.

[Josephus]

When we want gun regulation, we don't say that not having a gun will make you safer, we mean that stronger gun regulation would prevent gun violence.

You're a strange fellow. Remember that an important thing to consider is the social and psychological weather of any given country. Saying, for example, that "gun control will work in America, because it works in Canada" fails to take into account that Americans and Canadians are different beasts entirely.

Also, have a look-see at Britain - they have very strict gun-control laws, and their incidences of murder and rape are low, but their crime rate otherwise is about normal. (As normal as a crime rate can be, of course.)

http://www.crimestoppers-uk.org/crime-prevention/latest-crime-statistics
http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs09/hosb1109summ.pdf

[Aqizzar]

How many more times are we going to have to trample over this ground?  Seriously, everything is already on the table, everybody has already heard all the arguments and seen all the links.  Midns are made up, it's just not going anywhere.

[Josephus]

Shit, really?

Okay, I should've read the whole thread, first.

[Phmcw]

When we want gun regulation, we don't say that not having a gun will make you safer, we mean that stronger gun regulation would prevent gun violence.

You're a strange fellow. Remember that an important thing to consider is the social and psychological weather of any given country. Saying, for example, that "gun control will work in America, because it works in Canada" fails to take into account that Americans and Canadians are different beasts entirely.

Also, have a look-see at Britain - they have very strict gun-control laws, and their incidences of murder and rape are low, but their crime rate otherwise is about normal. (As normal as a crime rate can be, of course.)

http://www.crimestoppers-uk.org/crime-prevention/latest-crime-statistics
http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs09/hosb1109summ.pdf

I fail to understand you. Are you supporting, or denying my point?
I said that gun regulation prevent gun violence : you point me out the example of a country that has strong gun regulation and has less murder. (btw gun regulation is not the only way to prevent gun violence : if you have few criminality, you'll have few overall violence. But then you need strong social care.)

[Josephus]

When we want gun regulation, we don't say that not having a gun will make you safer, we mean that stronger gun regulation would prevent gun violence.

You're a strange fellow. Remember that an important thing to consider is the social and psychological weather of any given country. Saying, for example, that "gun control will work in America, because it works in Canada" fails to take into account that Americans and Canadians are different beasts entirely.

Also, have a look-see at Britain - they have very strict gun-control laws, and their incidences of murder and rape are low, but their crime rate otherwise is about normal. (As normal as a crime rate can be, of course.)

http://www.crimestoppers-uk.org/crime-prevention/latest-crime-statistics
http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs09/hosb1109summ.pdf

I fail to understand you. Are you supporting, or denying my point?

Technically, I'm on the fence. I'm ambivalent about gun control, precisely for reasons presented by both sides.

[Phmcw]

Also I wonder, with all the cop-hate elsewhere on the forums, why do people in here suddenly think cops are all they need to be safe from criminals? I mean, beyond keeping a tube of Astroglide behind the radiator in case its just a rapist and not a murderer. I for one trust a policeman or a stranger until he wants into my house.

Actually, it's not cop hate : I don't trust anything that is not transparent and regulated.
If the police do something, I have to know it. And I disagree with a few law.

I think most people that you says hate cop in this forum would agree.

[Footkerchief]

Shooting a guy in the heat of it is gonna be pretty damn easy. If you're one to feel guilty about it later, enjoy your lasting psychological trauma I guess. I get a feeling that most of the B12'ers in this thread are of the right stuff to deal with it.

You sound like some big-talkin' GI shipping off to the Philippines who's never seen action and won't stop bragging about how many Japs he's gonna kill.

[Josephus]

Shooting a guy in the heat of it is gonna be pretty damn easy. If you're one to feel guilty about it later, enjoy your lasting psychological trauma I guess. I get a feeling that most of the B12'ers in this thread are of the right stuff to deal with it.

You sound like some GI shipping off to the Philippines who's never seen action and won't stop talking about how many Japs he's gonna kill.

I agree.

Sonerohi, how old are you?

[tfaal]

You sound like some GI shipping off to the Philippines who's never seen action and won't stop talking about how many Japs he's gonna kill.

I agree.

Sonerohi, how old are you?

I don't think this is a helpful line of inquiry. Maybe this point would be better made with statistics on the psychological condition of self-defense killers, compared with their initial feelings on the matter? If that can't be found, perhaps we could find some studies on veterans who have killed, which seems like a similar situation. That is, a normally terrible act, potentially justified by circumstance. Anything that won't turn this into a macho devil-may-care pissing contest.