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[Zangi]

Kids fills in the blanks on their own from the way people around them react to certain things.

You're continuing to make Grakelin's point for him.

Why is he arguing with LordBucket then?  Don't they amount to the same thing?

[quinnr]

Your friend sounds like a tool.

Probably. The thing is, I've never had ANYONE on those forums really be so against ANYTHING.

Also, fixed the thread title.

[LordBucket]

Isn't that like saying

"I'm not racist, I just believe all black people should
sit at the back of the bus and attend separate schools"

Not really.

There is a difference in motivation between a person who experiences an emotional reaction and a person who dispproves of something intellectually for reasons they can explain. You may or may not agree with their reasons, but if they have reasons for you to agree or disagree with, I'd say there's a qualitative difference between them and a person who simply has a gutteral reaction and freaks out emotionally.

"I don't think that's a good idea" is different from "Eeewww! OMG! You sicko freak!!!"

[Nikov]

"I'm not a homophobe, I just hate that whiney fake accent."
"I'm not a racist, I just think black people should use seperate schools."
Nope. Not seeing it. The accent is their concious choice, and if you can't dislike someone for a concious choice, you can't dislike someone for anything.

[kuro_suna]

I agree wholeheartedly, the word 'homophobe' is entirely misused. Someone who's entirely ambivilant about homosexuals they meet on a daily basis and could even be friends with one is going to be instantly labeled a homophobe when they say something about being against gay marriage.

"I'm not a homophobe, I just hate that whiney fake accent."
"I'm not a racist, I just think black people should use seperate schools."
Nope. Not seeing it. The accent is their concious choice, and if you can't dislike someone for a concious choice, you can't dislike someone for anything.

How did same sex marriage get turned into fake accents?

There is a difference in motivation between a person who experiences an emotional reaction and a person who dispproves of something intellectually for reasons they can explain. You may or may not agree with their reasons, but if they have reasons for you to agree or disagree with, I'd say there's a qualitative difference between them and a person who simply has a gutteral reaction and freaks out emotionally.

Their are also reasons why segregations not racist, just not good reasons.

[quinnr]

It's a sterotypical thing about gay people.

[Eagleon]

Re. "Accent": We've been over this already.

From my experience most people are afraid of being considered gay if they associate with it or condone it. I don't really consider these people homophobic, just afraid of the stigma attached. Unfortunately the result is pretty much the same.

[Jackrabbit]

I would think so. Why wouldn't being against gay marriage be homophobic? It's like that footy guy here in Australia who got slammed for coming out and saying "I don't mind gays and think they should be able to come out of the closet except when they're football players because that would creep people out."

[G-Flex]

I would think so. Why wouldn't being against gay marriage be homophobic? It's like that footy guy here in Australia who got slammed for coming out and saying "I don't mind gays and think they should be able to come out of the closet except when they're football players because that would creep people out."

People who unfairly discriminate and harbor prejudice will rarely admit that they do. They will generally attempt to justify their thoughts/behaviors as much as they possibly can.

[Jackrabbit]

I appear to have accidentally replied to a post a page back whilst thinking it was current.

Ah well, point stands.

[Deathworks]

Hi!

Personally, I am rather opposed to political correctness type term jumping. Either you can accept that people are homosexual and are still the same human beings and have the same rights like everyone else, or you can't accept that. I don't really see the need to have shades of gray within prejudice or unreasonal behavior.

While I think there are many, many things that have shades of gray, there are also things that simply do not have them, including some crimes and attitudes: For example, within crime, there is no rape that is any better than any other rape. Rape is rape. End of story. Likewise, as for attitudes, you accept prejudices or you don't. Or, I don't believe that there is a thing as being just a little bit racist - either you embrace ideas of race or you don't.

Eagleon: Actually, your comment about homophobes and fears kind of works against itself - I mean you stress that people act out of an (irrational) fear and yet find the term "homophobic" inappropriate. Have you not described very much an unreasonable fear which is the core of phobias?

Deathworks

[Eagleon]

Eagleon: Actually, your comment about homophobes and fears kind of works against itself - I mean you stress that people act out of an (irrational) fear and yet find the term "homophobic" inappropriate. Have you not described very much an unreasonable fear which is the core of phobias?

Yes, but my point is that they may be afraid (even terrified, subconsciously) of the social stigma, not the actual subject. They may act the same way, by oppressing gays, but the cause is different. I mean it may translate to fear of homosexuals by gradual association (and then it becomes homophobia), but I think it's separate and probably important to consider if treating it with therapy. I wouldn't treat someone that was molested, say, the same way I would a bible-thumper that had been exposed to extreme hate speech and occasional suspicion for a significant portion of their life.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Having spent a few years of my life as a homophobic christian in the past, I would say that homophobia comes from two primary sources:

A. Religions that condemn homosexuality

B. The relatively recent emergance of homosexuals into the public eye. For a very long time the religions of reason A have suppressed homosexuality wherever they had influence. The last culture to have a marked acceptance of homosexuality was Ancient Greece, over 2000 years ago. Thus, the public obtained a mindset that told them that while "The Scary Homosexual" was out there somewhere, it could not reach them. The very idea that there were actual homosexuals within your life was left unthought. But things changed over the past century. And without warning, the public was confronted with both the existance and grudging acceptance of homosexuals. People, as they are apt to do in all examples of change, gave a knee-jerk reaction of fear and rejection.

So, most people don't accept homosexuals because of their sudden apperance in the public eye.

[Blargityblarg]

I'm ambivalent about gays, unless gay is all they are. If someone bases their life around their sexuality, it's just distasteful. Same goes for straight people, I suppose, though it seems less common- probably because it's assumed, so it doesn't have to be shouted with a thtereotype.

[Jackrabbit]

Is it distasteful to you because building one's life around any one thing is odd?