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Author Topic: Why are people so anti-gay? (not religous reasons)  (Read 11077 times)

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Re: Why are people Homophobes? (not religous reasons)
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2010, 01:55:26 am »

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Re: Why are people Homophobes? (not religous reasons)
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2010, 01:56:32 am »

I dunno, I've never found the whole "zomg lesbians so hawt" thing attractive at all. The whole thing seems kind of dumb to me, from a straight guy POV.

I heard that it triggers a "holy shit! I think I'm about to have sex with two girls" response.
Which is completely ridiculous if they really are lesbians.

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Re: Why are people Homophobes? (not religous reasons)
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2010, 01:58:02 am »

And if it's pornography which, face it, it always will be.
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Re: Why are people Homophobes? (not religous reasons)
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2010, 02:01:46 am »

I dunno, I've never found the whole "zomg lesbians so hawt" thing attractive at all. The whole thing seems kind of dumb to me, from a straight guy POV.

That's because you've never had two or more women have sex with eachother while on top of you.

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Re: Why are people Homophobes? (not religous reasons)
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2010, 02:02:57 am »

I dunno, I've never found the whole "zomg lesbians so hawt" thing attractive at all. The whole thing seems kind of dumb to me, from a straight guy POV.

I heard that it triggers a "holy shit! I think I'm about to have sex with two girls" response.
Which is completely ridiculous if they really are lesbians.

I think the more obvious explanation is that straight men like looking at girls who are engaged in sexual activity. Nothing terribly weird about that.
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Re: Why are people Homophobes? (not religous reasons)
« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2010, 02:04:42 am »

So are you implying people who don't like it, such as Retro, are not, in fact, straight?

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Re: Why are people Homophobes? (not religous reasons)
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2010, 02:05:04 am »

So are you implying people who don't like it, such as Retro, are not, in fact, straight?

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Re: Why are people Homophobes? (not religous reasons)
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2010, 02:05:20 am »

Eh, I find that religious reasons aren't strong enough. You have people who take the Sodom bible thing as punishing the sin of homosexuality, and you have people who take it to mean the sin of being rude to people. It's taking another source to justify themselves. It's just another form of discriminating people who don't have much in common.

I'm slightly homophobic in the sense that I don't like a guy hitting on me, but I wouldn't mind a woman hitting on me. A straight guy wouldn't hit on me, so I don't mind him. I suppose people could stretch that into a kind of phobia.


I dunno, I've never found the whole "zomg lesbians so hawt" thing attractive at all. The whole thing seems kind of dumb to me, from a straight guy POV.

I heard that it triggers a "holy shit! I think I'm about to have sex with two girls" response.
Which is completely ridiculous if they really are lesbians.

I think the more obvious explanation is that straight men like looking at girls who are engaged in sexual activity. Nothing terribly weird about that.

Eh, I thought it was 1 girl = hawt. 2 girls = hawter.
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Re: Why are people Homophobes? (not religous reasons)
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2010, 02:06:06 am »

No, because I never said that every straight man likes looking at any women engaged in any kind of sexual activity. It's not as if "heterosexual males" are some sort of crazy-monolithic group in terms of what they like.
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Re: Why are people Homophobes? (not religous reasons)
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2010, 02:07:45 am »

I'm slightly homophobic in the sense that I don't like a guy hitting on me, but I wouldn't mind a woman hitting on me. A straight guy wouldn't hit on me, so I don't mind him. I suppose people could stretch that into a kind of phobia.

That's not homophobia at all.
I don't know any straight guy who would be comfortable with another guy hitting on him.

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Re: Why are people Homophobes? (not religous reasons)
« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2010, 02:14:20 am »

I'm slightly homophobic in the sense that I don't like a guy hitting on me, but I wouldn't mind a woman hitting on me. A straight guy wouldn't hit on me, so I don't mind him. I suppose people could stretch that into a kind of phobia.

That's not homophobia at all.
I don't know any straight guy who would be comfortable with another guy hitting on him.

Well, many people are uncomfortable with spiders. Arachnophobia is when people freak out at the sight of spiders. I'd bet if there was some bible passage saying (or rather, hinting) that spiders were evil, those people would pull that out and use it as religious dogma to smite all spiders. Yeah, something like that.
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Re: Why are people Homophobes? (not religous reasons)
« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2010, 02:24:07 am »

Hi!

I think that there are several factors in this.

One strong factor is creating a minority group. As with any discrimination, denouncing another group is a fast and easy way to raise yourself in your own perception. You know, an attitude like :You have no job, you drink more than you should, your wife is ugly, and you beat her up regularly. But at least you are not a [censored] queer!! In other words, as long as you can find someone whom you deem even less prestigious, you can't be the bottom of the hierarchy. So, such homophobia can be an expression of low self-esteem and strong doubts.

In a similar vein, I have the suspicion that there is a strong sexual insecurity among many heterosexual males. I mean, all this boasting and so on - if you are confident in your manhood, you don't need to present it to others and get their confirmation. I am a straight male, I know that, and that is the end of that. I don't need to pretend to be "a great stud" or "as hot as hell", since I know what I am. Especially when you see how fearful they respond to being brought into a context that may make them look feminine, such homophobes show their colors: I mean, if you really are a man, you will still be a man, even if you wear an apron in the kitchen. Somehow, I have the impression that those men actually fear they may find out that they are actually homosexuals themselves and thus avoid anything that could drag them "to the other side" (like a former alcoholic should avoid alcohol).

And not wanting to flirt or have sex with a male is normal for a heterosexual male. That is not homophobic, but part of the definition (if you enjoyed flirting/having sex with a male while being a male, you are either bisexual or homosexual). Homophobia starts where you speak out against things that do not influence you directly (flirting and having sex usually do influence the participants).

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Re: Why are people Homophobes? (not religous reasons)
« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2010, 02:26:45 am »

 So if Homophobia is using something to shield their world view to avoid the pain of that world view being challenged, then what does one call a person who has moral reasons to believe the action is not in line with their world view, but does not hate? That loves them because ultimately that is what their world view is about?

 This sort of goes into what Deathworks says, about seeking out negative actions over it. I would like to believe I would be cool with a dude with extremely contrasting world views that still respects me as a fellow human being, and only takes actions when he feels my own actions endanger another, as hard as it may be to hear views that contrast so much.
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Re: Why are people Homophobes? (not religous reasons)
« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2010, 02:28:08 am »

Fun fact: I am not only a christian, but a pastor's son. I was working in a call centre, and I met a guy who used to live out in Alberta. He seems like an okay kind of person. I'd known him for about a month, he would hang around with another guy from the call centre who was really into cars. He was really into cars himself. He introduced me to the band Mindless Self Indulgence.

Anyway, one day he comes up to me talking about how he just found out the guy who he had been hanging out a lot with, his "best friend" at the time, was bi. He came to me expecting me to ~understand~ about how he immediately wanted nothing more to do with this guy. "What if he, you know, hits on you?" I explained that I just plain don't care. He didn't seem to understand how I could just not care. How I was not outraged about it, or something. I don't know.

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Re: Why are people Homophobes? (not religous reasons)
« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2010, 02:28:59 am »

Gay men hit on me from time to time, and I don't feel uncomfortable about it.

If you do, you probably do have a homophobic tendency.
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