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[Zifnab]

It really is too bad that the tolerant moderates of any people don't speak put more.  We'd live in a more sane world.

[Virex]

To be completely fair, you have to remember that about 100 Muslims get blow up every month (by other Muslims for the record), so it's not that odd that they're not impressed by some death 'infidels'. 

[ChairmanPoo]

To be completely fair, you have to remember that about 100 Muslims get blow up every day (by other Muslims for the record)

Not always by other muslims, to be fair

[Muz]

It really is too bad that the tolerant moderates of any people don't speak put more.  We'd live in a more sane world.

The sane tolerant moderates do speak out, but one extremist voice drowns out millions of moderate voices. Simply because the media loves the extremists. It's why I avoid newspapers these days.

The mentality of "us versus them" is pervasive.

Yeah, I'd agree. It's ridiculous that the USA is more worried about the 5000 or so trained-to-kill soldiers dying in Iraq more than the 100000 or so civilians dead. "Never mind all those people who are actually dead; I'm the victim!  It's all about me!"  It's disgusting.

The "us versus them" mentality happens everywhere.

[Forumsdwarf]

That level of self-centeredness approaches the sociopathic.

Sorry, I can't help myself, but you're displaying exactly what you're arguing against.

I'm speaking for the real victims, not claiming to be one.

[Sir Pseudonymous]

No, you're not. I have never seen you post anything that's not virulently racist, yet you're still here. It baffles me. You are, quite simply, the most racist person I have ever encountered, and yet you're still not banned. I do not understand this.

[Renault]

Food for thought: nor did Hitler ever state his intent of genocide of the Jewish population. Officially the Jews were just being "relocated".

Just wanted to point out thats so far from true it hurts me. He said this in 1922, for gods sake:
"Once I really am in power, my first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews. As soon as I have the power to do so, I will have gallows built in rows – at the Marienplatz in Munich, for example – as many as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanged indiscriminately, and they will remain hanging until they stink; they will hang there as long as the principles of hygiene permit. As soon as they have been untied, the next batch will be strung up, and so on down the line, until the last Jew in Munich has been exterminated. Other cities will follow suit, precisely in this fashion, until all Germany has been completely cleansed of Jews"

So....yes, yes, Hitler did state his intention to get rid of the jews. Don't misrepresent history.

[ChairmanPoo]

...yet when he was attempting to get elected in the 30s, he said that people shouldnt pay attention to that because he was not thinking clearly at the time. So don't misrepresent history, Renault

[Renault]

...yet when he was attempting to get elected in the 30s, he said that people shouldnt pay attention to that because he was not thinking clearly at the time. So don't misrepresent history, Renault

Irrelevant. He clearly stated his hatred of the Jewish people and his plans to remove them from every aspect of German life. Even during the 1932 elction--what I assume you're referrring to with the "30's" reference, he never moderated his stance. And as soon as he was the Chancellor, he started the most fiery invectives in history. So your point is ridiculous, Poo. A statement made at one time--during an election cycle--does not invalidate any of his other statements. In the end, Hitler clearly stated his intent of genocide many, many times.

[ChairmanPoo]

During the critical period he didn't, and in fact full-fledged pogroms did not start again until 1938. It was not at all clear what Hitler meant in that regard. So NO U.

[Renault]

During the critical period he didn't, and in fact full-fledged pogroms did not start again until 1938. It was not at all clear what Hitler meant in that regard. So NO U.

Patently untrue. Hell, this is from 1933, the year he was appointed Chancellor:
"A self-respecting nation cannot, on a scale accepted up to now, leave its higher activities in the hands of people of racially foreign origin … Allowing the presence of too high a percentage of people of foreign origin in relation to their percentage in the general population could be interpreted as an acceptance of the superiority of other races, something decidedly to be rejected"

1935 saw the passage of the Nuremburg laws, where Adolf Hitler declared to the entire damn world that "The third is an attempt to regulate by law problem (here talking about Jews), which, should this attempt fail, must then be handed over by law to the National-Socialist Party for a final solution."

1935. You clearly don't know what you're talking about with your "full-fledged pogroms" or "its not clear what he meant." He just said it. If Nuremburg laws--which were crushingly restrictive--didnt get Jews to leave the country, then the party would take over the problem with a FINAL DAMN SOLUTION. He really couldn't have been clearer unless he started shrieking "I WILL KILL EVERY ONE OF YOU JEWS." Which as we already mentioned, he did. In 1922.
There was never any question about Hitlers plan for the Jews. You're being intentionally difficult.

[kuro_suna]

The thing is anti-semitism isn't something the nazi's invented, it was common in Europe since the time of the roman empire. I think it was only after the holocaust the world decided that leaving racism to fester unchecked was a bad idea.

[Phmcw]

Islamophobia is growing in Europe, because apparently poeple are incapable to distinguish a misbehaved youth from a dangerous terrorist. I swear everyone I know that defend such thesis give a completely irrelevant encounter with a few youths as an example of "the growing Islamic danger".
They conveniently ignore that such person usually have no idea of what is in the Coran and the fact that pan-arabism is nonexistent.

Also the religious extremism that worries me most is actually hardcore conservative Christianity.
It's probably the most harmful a.t.m. and it's growing. If you fear an armed uprising check your neighbor first.

[Forumsdwarf]

Islamophobia is growing in Europe, because apparently poeple are incapable to distinguish a misbehaved youth from a dangerous terrorist.

Of which kind was the one who murdered Theo van Gogh, and how would one tell the difference before the knife goes in?

Islamophobia is growing in Europe because the current leaders are unwilling to do what is necessary to maintain order and protect intellectual freedom.  I don't relish the idea of putting the Geert Wilderses in charge -- they don't have much of a history of protecting intellectual freedoms, either -- but right now his faction represents the lesser of evils.

Also the religious extremism that worries me most is actually hardcore conservative Christianity.

It would worry me a lot more if people didn't take it seriously.  But Christian violence has been held ruthlessly in check ever since the abortion clinic bombings of the early 1980's.  David Koresh lasted how long after he got the Feds' attention?  A couple of weeks?
But when it comes to Islamic violence and intolerance people have blinders on.  Even more baffling is when a person merely points out the intolerance and violence perpetrated in the name of Islam that person is guaranteed to be accused of racism.

Not racist:
"Christians shouldn't bomb abortion clinics."

Racist:
"Muslims shouldn't murder authors and artists."

It's a severe case of shooting the messenger, never mind the ignorance required of a person to conflate race with religion.  Case-in-point:

I have never seen you post anything that's not virulently racist, yet you're still here. It baffles me. You are, quite simply, the most racist person I have ever encountered, and yet you're still not banned. I do not understand this.

Report me.  Maybe you'll get lucky.

[Sir Pseudonymous]

I have, repeatedly, but apparently racist trolling isn't a bannable offense.